Minnesota Wild General Discussion - 2023-24

[BagHead]

Russo said that Foligno is out for "a few weeks". Is Moose cooked? He's had a lot of health issues this season. $4 million a yr til 2028...oops

And take this for what it's worth, but several tweets that the Wild, Sabres and Ducks are in talks with the Rangers about Kaapo Kakko. It was apparently reported by a NYR beat writer. Is Zuccarello leaving?

I don't know. How would that make you feel? Why, when I read these bolded lines, do I imagine you using the 1960's Batman narrator voice, like you're trying to sound suspenseful? Find out next week!

The source of these Kakko rumors appears to be The Fourth Period, not a Ranger's beat writer. Everything I can find links back to this trade watchlist, written by... nobody named. One of the pages that referred back to the list said the Buffalo Bills are interested in him. I'm not sure how well he'll translate to the NFL, but I'm excited to find out.

 

[AKL]

I don't know. How would that make you feel? Why, when I read these bolded lines, do I imagine you using the 1960's Batman narrator voice, like you're trying to sound suspenseful? Find out next week!

The source of these Kakko rumors appears to be The Fourth Period, not a Ranger's beat writer. Everything I can find links back to this trade watchlist, written by... nobody named. One of the pages that referred back to the list said the Buffalo Bills are interested in him. I'm not sure how well he'll translate to the NFL, but I'm excited to find out.

Not going to pretend to be the expert on this, I do know David Pagnotta runs The Fourth Period, not sure if there are other staff working under him or where the rumor originally came from if not Pagnotta. Pagnotta isn't a complete nobody.

I don't think the Kakko rumor is nothing, I don't think it's definitely something either.

 

[BagHead]

Not going to pretend to be the expert on this, I do know David Pagnotta runs The Fourth Period, not sure if there are other staff working under him or where the rumor originally came from if not Pagnotta. Pagnotta isn't a complete nobody.

I don't think the Kakko rumor is nothing, I don't think it's definitely something either.

Good to know. I just find that I can't trust articles I find online that aren't credited to anyone. Usually that means they're written by committee.

 

[Minnewildsota]

I don't know. How would that make you feel? Why, when I read these bolded lines, do I imagine you using the 1960's Batman narrator voice, like you're trying to sound suspenseful? Find out next week!

The source of these Kakko rumors appears to be The Fourth Period, not a Ranger's beat writer. Everything I can find links back to this trade watchlist, written by... nobody named. One of the pages that referred back to the list said the Buffalo Bills are interested in him. I'm not sure how well he'll translate to the NFL, but I'm excited to find out.

He doesn’t feel anything. His allegiance isn’t to any team but to Zucc himself.

 

[BagHead]

He doesn’t feel anything. His allegiance isn’t to any team but to Zucc himself.

I know, I suppose Webster probably wants him where he has the best chance to win a Cup. Can't say I blame him, either.

I'm not sure how I'd feel about a Zuccarello for Kakko swap. I'm also not sure who adds, or if it's just a straight one for one. Zuccarello is old but has the production, Kakko lacks the production but still has the potential.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

He doesn’t feel anything. His allegiance isn’t to any team but to Zucc himself.

My allegiance is to the Republic, to DEMOCRACY!!!

 

[Wabit]

My allegiance is to the Republic, to DEMOCRACY!!!

Well which one is it? Those are two very different forms of government. A democracy is government a ruled by a majority vote. A republic (the U.S.) is representative government ruled by people appointed is some way.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Well which one is it? Those are two very different forms of government. A democracy is government a ruled by a majority vote. A republic (the U.S.) is representative government ruled by people appointed is some way.

Thanks West Wing.

Russo said that Foligno is out for "a few weeks". Is Moose cooked? He's had a lot of health issues this season. $4 million a yr til 2028...oops

And take this for what it's worth, but several tweets that the Wild, Sabres and Ducks are in talks with the Rangers about Kaapo Kakko. It was apparently reported by a NYR beat writer. Is Zuccarello leaving?

He had missed 5 games before this...

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Well which one is it? Those are two very different forms of government. A democracy is government a ruled by a majority vote. A republic (the U.S.) is representative government ruled by people appointed is some way.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes

 

[Minnewildsota]

Only a Sith deals in absolutes

From my point of view the Jedi are evil!

 

[BagHead]

Only a Sith deals in absolutes

This is 100% true.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

From my point of view the Jedi are evil!

No, that’s impossible!

 

[BagHead]

Well which one is it? Those are two very different forms of government. A democracy is government a ruled by a majority vote. A republic (the U.S.) is representative government ruled by people appointed is some way.

Taking things too seriously for a second, there's actually a really great video that educates on this. Very informative, no BS.


25:44 gets to the relevant bit, in case you don't want to learn about Athens and the Founding Father's inspirations.

Or for those who don't want to take the time to get the good explanation from Ryan Chapman, here's my interpretation: the Founding Fathers didn't know what a Republic was, so they just used Democracy and Republic interchangeably. James Madison later decided to make a distinction between the two, which he made up on the spot, and it stuck: Republics are systems where the masses vote for people to represent them, and then those representatives do the voting on actual law. Democracies are governments where the masses physically (or today it could be digitally) show up to vote on law, directly.

 

[MNRube]

I know, I suppose Webster probably wants him where he has the best chance to win a Cup. Can't say I blame him, either.

I'm not sure how I'd feel about a Zuccarello for Kakko swap. I'm also not sure who adds, or if it's just a straight one for one. Zuccarello is old but has the production, Kakko lacks the production but still has the potential.

I’d probably roll the dice on that. Zucc is a 55 point player in a vacuum. He is also abhorrent defensively and contributes to our team’s overall softness.

 

[BagHead]

I’d probably roll the dice on that. Zucc is a 55 point player in a vacuum. He is also abhorrent defensively and contributes to our team’s overall softness.

Honestly, I like it for the Rangers as they're trying to compete and need the better player, even though his remaining career is shorter. I also sort of like it for the Wild, as it's a gamble on upside, and that's really what they should be doing right now.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Taking things too seriously for a second, there's actually a really great video that educates on this. Very informative, no BS.


25:44 gets to the relevant bit, in case you don't want to learn about Athens and the Founding Father's inspirations.

Or for those who don't want to take the time to get the good explanation from Ryan Chapman, here's my interpretation: the Founding Fathers didn't know what a Republic was, so they just used Democracy and Republic interchangeably. James Madison later decided to make a distinction between the two, which he made up on the spot, and it stuck: Republics are systems where the masses vote for people to represent them, and then those representatives do the voting on actual law. Democracies are governments where the masses physically (or today it could be digitally) show up to vote on law, directly.

I thought I remember reading we're a Democratic Republic. It's been a long time though.

 

[MNRube]

Honestly, I like it for the Rangers as they're trying to compete and need the better player, even though his remaining career is shorter. I also sort of like it for the Wild, as it's a gamble on upside, and that's really what they should be doing right now.

Agreed. I haven’t done any research on Kakko but I believe his possession and defensive metrics are solid or at least I recall hearing that.

If we had taken Perreault like we should have last summer, it’d be a lot easier bc he would be a perfect Zucc replacement. I do think he could prevent Rangers from making this move too because they are similarly built and neither plays D at all.

 

[Webster]

I’d probably roll the dice on that. Zucc is a 55 point player in a vacuum. He is also abhorrent defensively and contributes to our team’s overall softness.

This fresh article with some detailed analysis doesn't agree...

Mats Zuccarello Is the Wild's Stealth MVP

It's easy to get wrapped up in the exploits of the Minnesota Wild's young core. Brock Faber, Matt Boldy, and Marco Rossi are having extremely strong seasons and are all under the age of 23. Even "elder statesmen" like Joel Eriksson Ek and Kirill Kaprizov are 27 and 26, respectively. Wild fans can...

hockeywilderness.com

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I thought I remember reading we're a Democratic Republic. It's been a long time though.

Constitutional Republic

Anyways, sorry to derail the thread with Star Wars.

Any chance we see Chisholm any time soon?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

This fresh article with some detailed analysis doesn't agree...

Mats Zuccarello Is the Wild's Stealth MVP

It's easy to get wrapped up in the exploits of the Minnesota Wild's young core. Brock Faber, Matt Boldy, and Marco Rossi are having extremely strong seasons and are all under the age of 23. Even "elder statesmen" like Joel Eriksson Ek and Kirill Kaprizov are 27 and 26, respectively. Wild fans can...

hockeywilderness.com

Most of the article: good PP player.

Pretty sure everybody agrees with that.

 

[MNRube]

Most of the article: good PP player.

Pretty sure everybody agrees with that.

100%, he’s great with extra man. He’s nowhere close to a stealth MVP this year though. At best he is 4th, and honestly probably 5th. Rossi is outscoring him 5v5 despite worse linemates for vast majority of the season.

 

[Webster]

The stats in that article tells the story, Zucc is just fine 5v5 and so is his defensive play.

But the PP numbers blew me away, over some 150 PP minutes they've scored 30 goals with Zucc, and only 8 without him. If your PP isn't working you simply won't have much success, so the article's title isn't totally wrong.

 

[Minnewildsota]

The stats in that article tells the story, Zucc is just fine 5v5 and so is his defensive play.

But the PP numbers blew me away, over some 150 PP minutes they've scored 30 goals with Zucc, and only 8 without him. If your PP isn't working you simply won't have much success, so the article's title isn't totally wrong.

Should hand him the Hart Trophy now. Nobody else will come close.

 

[TaLoN]

Well which one is it? Those are two very different forms of government. A democracy is government a ruled by a majority vote. A republic (the U.S.) is representative government ruled by people appointed is some way.

The US actually uses a Democratic Republic. The two can blend.

I thought I remember reading we're a Democratic Republic. It's been a long time though.

You read correctly!

Constitutional Republic

Anyways, sorry to derail the thread with Star Wars.

Any chance we see Chisholm any time soon?

The Constitution is our governing document, but it establishes the US as a Democratic Republic.

Our American Government - Congressman James E. Clyburn

The foundation of our American Government, its purpose, form and structure are found in the Constitution of the United States. The Constitution, written in

clyburn.house.gov

The Constitution establishes a federal democratic republic form of government. That is, we have an indivisible union of 50 sovereign States. It is a democracy because people govern themselves. It is representative because people choose elected officials by free and secret ballot. It is a republic because the Government derives its power from the people.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

The US actually uses a Democratic Republic. The two can blend.


You read correctly!


The Constitution is our governing document, but it establishes the US as a Democratic Republic.

Our American Government - Congressman James E. Clyburn

The foundation of our American Government, its purpose, form and structure are found in the Constitution of the United States. The Constitution, written in

clyburn.house.gov

100% a Constitutional Republic.

Technical Difficulties

While often categorized as a democracy, the United States is more accurately defined as a constitutional federal republic. What does this mean? “Constitutional” refers to the fact that government in the United States is based on a Constitution which is the supreme law of the United States. The Constitution not only provides the framework for how the federal and state governments are structured, but also places significant limits on their powers. “Federal” means that there is both a national government and governments of the 50 states. A “republic” is a form of government in which the people hold power, but elect representatives to exercise that power.

If the Constitution is the supreme law of the land and establishes a “democratic republic”, then it’s a Constitutional Republic… because it’s based on the Constitution.