MuckOG
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As they say, "development is not linear". He's been slumping a bit over the past month, but to be fair, the team in front of him has been playing like shit also. Patience is required.
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As they say, "development is not linear". He's been slumping a bit over the past month, but to be fair, the team in front of him has been playing like shit also. Patience is required.
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Rossi was a 1st round pick. You should be able to fantasize about that. He hit speedbumps in the way, but he's been in the lineup, skating in those penciled in positions already.
Oh weird , we hung Wally out so dry in his nhl debut and crushed his confidence. Great move by the Billy big brain think tank
BagHead
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How much of this slump do you attribute to his mental fragility, and how much do you attribute to the injury he had right before it?
Agreed. If this keeps up, though, i wonder if he'll be better off playing on our shit team than the Des Moines shit team.
Cant recall ever seeing Lambos being penciled in. You’d think one of the 3 Iowa LHD would’ve emerged as legit NHLers by now, but I’m still of the opinion Peart will be the best of the bunch…if he decides to stay with the organization
I look at goalies a little differently than skaters. As a backup they might only get 25 games in their first season, and most of those are 2nd game of back-to-back type situations.
Iowa is a tire fire, so it's hard for me to take too much from those stats. I remember the last time I looked his stats were much better than the other goalies on the team. He's on a pretty normal progression for any prospect. SHL x 2--> AHL x 2--> NHL. It's not the jump from SHL --> NHL like the Khovanov CHL --> NHL that was being done a few years ago.
I've said this for awhile, the log jam at the position makes for a lack of ice time and will hinder the development of the LDs that were drafted. Taking 5 LD in 2 drafts is terrible draft pick asset management (1st, 2nd x 2, 3rd, and a 6th).
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To this day I still don't like or understand the Peart pick. Obviously the Wild liked him, but beyond that, 3 of their 5 most recent draft picks at that point were LD, and Knies was right there.
Taking Knies over Peart wouldn't have helped any of Lambos, Hunt and O'Rourke develop better, but at least we'd have Knies instead of another disappointing, lackluster LD.
Lambos is the biggest disappointment for me. I think any of the three can become serviceable bottom pair guys, maybe even second pair guys in the same way Middleton is, but Lambos had all the tools to be a true top four guy, and so far hasn't put it together, though he's still only just turned 21 and in his first pro season, so I've not given up on him yet.
I think it’s more an issue of the drafted players not being good enough. There’s been ample opportunity for each of them to take an NHL spot if their play merited it. We still don’t have much behind Brodin for LHD. Middleton is a bottom pair guy ideally
Dr Jan Itor
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I'd say it's easier to do so with 1st/2nd rounders than the 3rd-7th rounders that were listed off.
I hope he's not as weak minded as you seem to think he is.
There really hasn't been much opportunity for them to take a spot. The cap wouldn't allow it earlier in the season. There are too many LHS vets signed ahead of them that the GM can't/won't send though waivers so open up a spot.
I'm not disagreeing they aren't good enough, they haven't stood out to me. I can't even say who is better between Hunt, Lambos, and ROR with the AHL team being what it is. Hunt kind of had a shot to take a spot, the other 2 haven't.
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None of them have had a chance to earn a full time spot thanks to Guerin. Hunt is probably, at worst, as good as Goligoski and Merrill, but because of the cap/roster spot/contract situations, he has to remain in the AHL.
Maybe won't be a bad thing long term, except now there's too many of them in the AHL, but they definitely haven't had a chance to earn a full time spot yet.
Maybe won't be a bad thing long term, except now there's too many of them in the AHL, but they definitely haven't had a chance to earn a full time spot yet.
Wally was doing well this year until the wheels came off of Iowa like a month ago and he injured himself trying to do Fleury shit. Won his last game stopping 21/23 and won whatever dumb goalie skill competition at AHL all star game. Way outperforming McIntyre still. idk anything about goalies really but i dont have much concern about wallstedt yet
Yeah, I'd be really interested to hear Hynes say specifically what he saw or didnt see from Hunt so far. I'm not just gonna jump to the mismanaging rookies/ veteran preference criticism but it'd be nice to know a reason why he was good enough to stay up with the club for weeks but only get a spare few chances to play. When he did play it seemed fine.. indistinguishable from what theyve been getting from the likes of Mermis I suppose.
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Again, I don't even think them spending more time in the AHL is a bad thing. I don't think that's mismanaging them (the mismanaging part is giving Goligoski and Merrill the contracts they have in the first place). I just don't think it's fair to say they had a chance to make the roster and didn't because they're not good enough. That's not what it is.
Mermis would need to go though waivers again. Hunt didn't.
Hunt wasn't really on the roster full time, more like a few days callup and then sent back down.
YUp, bottom line is that they didn't want to lose Mermis, and didn't have to worry about that with Hunt.
I've watched Peart in 3 games this year. Has the same attributes that I liked last year. VG+ all round skating, good balance, vg puck skills, vg defensive skills, good decision making. Average physicality and strength. Just seems to be a bit passive, and content to make a nice breakout pass rather than leading a rush up the ice. Also quite conservative when it comes to pinching, and having an effect in the O zone in general.
It's kind of a disappointment after last year, when he showed all kinds of promise, and more life in his game, which resulted in far more points. Maybe his coach has told him that is his role, but if the guy can contribute effectively to the offense while still playing good D, I don't know why you wouldn't allow it. Right now, his game is very bland.
Jbcraig1883
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Re: all the LHD not getting enough ice time. I am not sure I would agree with that as they have given all of the LHD ice time, PP, PK time, etc. They have been moved up and down the lineup - it's been up to them to show what they can do. Thus far, Spacek is the only one who has taken advantage of the opportunities, which is why he has been on the 1PP, 1 unit, etc.
In short, the LHD haven't been taking ice time away from each other, so it's not relevant for this year.
In short, the LHD haven't been taking ice time away from each other, so it's not relevant for this year.
Jbcraig1883
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This has been the biggest thing for me watching Iowa this year. I was a bit concerned after his WJC performance with Canada but because that was such a small sample size, I wrote it off.
Kid can absolutely skate...but he might be the mobile version of, dare I say, Cam Barker? He makes the same level of decisions.
Maybe 2-3 guys picked in the entire 2nd round end up being good NHL'ers, sometimes less. Look at 2014- best guys are Compher, Jarry, Lekhonen, and Bertuzzi. Maybe 30% end up being lower level NHL'ers who end up with 300+ gp. guys like Martinhook, Trenin, Sissons, etc. The hit rate on players in the late 20's isn't much better.
Going by those numbers, we can only expect 1 of Marat, ROR, Lambos, Peart, Firstov, Haight, Lorenz, Kumpulainen, Heidt, to be a good(not excellent) NHL'er. Maybe 1-2 more to be decent NHL'ers that will play in 300+ games.
Hunt was a 3rd rounder because he had injury problems during his draft year. 2nd round talent, to me. Stramel is also a 2nd round talent. I would throw them into the group above.
Lambos was well thought of, and some thought he had middle of the first round talent, but his draft year was kind of messed up because of Covid. Post draft, he performed well, but questions about his decision making persisted.
If i had to guess, I'd say that one of Kumpu and Lorenz might make the NHL as big, gritty 4th liners. At least one of ROR, Hunt, Lambos, and Peart will play 300+ games in the NHL, while the others will get in a few games.
One of Marat, Haight, Heidt, Firstov will be good NHL'ers, with 500+ GP. At this point, For the sake of argument let's say Heidt.
Getting a middle six Heidt, middle pairing Hunt, and a 4th line Lorenz would be about the most we can reasonably expect from that clump of players. And that would not be bad drafting... that would be league average, if not a bit better.
Going by those numbers, we can only expect 1 of Marat, ROR, Lambos, Peart, Firstov, Haight, Lorenz, Kumpulainen, Heidt, to be a good(not excellent) NHL'er. Maybe 1-2 more to be decent NHL'ers that will play in 300+ games.
Hunt was a 3rd rounder because he had injury problems during his draft year. 2nd round talent, to me. Stramel is also a 2nd round talent. I would throw them into the group above.
Lambos was well thought of, and some thought he had middle of the first round talent, but his draft year was kind of messed up because of Covid. Post draft, he performed well, but questions about his decision making persisted.
If i had to guess, I'd say that one of Kumpu and Lorenz might make the NHL as big, gritty 4th liners. At least one of ROR, Hunt, Lambos, and Peart will play 300+ games in the NHL, while the others will get in a few games.
One of Marat, Haight, Heidt, Firstov will be good NHL'ers, with 500+ GP. At this point, For the sake of argument let's say Heidt.
Getting a middle six Heidt, middle pairing Hunt, and a 4th line Lorenz would be about the most we can reasonably expect from that clump of players. And that would not be bad drafting... that would be league average, if not a bit better.
I attribute 100% to his being absolutely blown out the building in his nhl debut and then immediately sent down without fanfare.
He went from the best goalie in the world not playing in the nhl to one of the worst in the ahl the very moment he stepped off that Dallas ice. I said what was gonna happen and here we are.
This is such a reach. Likely has more to do with playing on a crappy team and injury recovery.
There is usually at least one bonafide star taken in the 2nd. We’ve had a bunch of 2nd rounders. I think it’s reasonable to expect at least one to play a big role in the coming years. ‘14 was a below average 2nd round.
Also, Lambos was a 1st rounder. That pick looks more and more like a miss.
I do agree that we need to temper expectations, but the 2nd round is usually more fertile than the ‘14 class
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