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If Kaprizov's plan is to leave we're definitely better off trading him, and I'm less than 33% convinced that he'd want to stay here.
 
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TaLoN said:
The best player this franchise has has is likely to walk unless paid more than he's worth.
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That doesn’t mean it’s the correct move to trade him now… with 2 more years left on his deal. We are on the verge of Cup window seasons starting at the end of next season and the year after. We have like 5-10 prospect that will be pushing for an NHL spot in the coming years. Yurov*, Khusnutdinov*, Ohgren, Lambos*, Spacek*, Hunt*, O’Rourke, Peart, Wallstedt*. Asterisks mark guys that are IMO serious contenders to play on the team by the end of next season.

You don’t trade Kaprizov because there is a chance you could be building a contender from your prospects. If Kaprizov walks, then so be it.
 
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Digitalbooya said:
That doesn’t mean it’s the correct move to trade him now… with 2 more years left on his deal. We are on the verge of Cup window seasons starting at the end of next season and the year after. We have like 5-10 prospect that will be pushing for an NHL spot in the coming years. Yurov*, Khusnutdinov*, Ohgren, Lambos*, Spacek*, Hunt*, O’Rourke, Peart, Wallstedt*. Asterisks mark guys that are IMO serious contenders to play on the team by the end of next season.

You don’t trade Kaprizov because there is a chance you could be building a contender from your prospects. If Kaprizov walks, then so be it.
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I agreed with you right up until that last sentence. That would be a huge blow to the franchise, even bigger than when Gaborik did it. In the summer before his final year, if there's a whiff that might happen, you trade him that summer or at the deadline, whichever will net you the best assets.
 
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BagHead said:
I agreed with you right up until that last sentence. That would be a huge blow to the franchise, even bigger than when Gaborik did it. In the summer before his final year, if there's a whiff that might happen, you trade him that summer or at the deadline, whichever will net you the best assets.
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When July 1, 2025 comes, if Kaprizov isn't willing to talk extension until after the 2025-26 season is over, you trade him ASAP. If he's "willing" to talk, but the new contract isn't done by mid-October, you trade him ASAP.

And none of that regular Guerin business where you just accept the first offer that seems fair, I want a full on bidding war with as many teams as possible. I want Guerin working the phones saying "hey Bob over there is willing to add a 5th, what can you do to top it?". I want to nickel and dime whoever gets him.
 
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BagHead said:
I agreed with you right up until that last sentence. That would be a huge blow to the franchise, even bigger than when Gaborik did it. In the summer before his final year, if there's a whiff that might happen, you trade him that summer or at the deadline, whichever will net you the best assets.
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You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Kaprizov has a full NMC, so you’d have to get his okay to trade him. He could easily say no. He could say yes. If he’s not willing to sign long term, then yeah he’s probably willing to be traded. I’d like to think he sticks around though. Call that Wisconsin optimism vs Minnesota pessimism.
 
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Kap has a full NMC that kicks in July 1st 2024.
-You trade him before that to the highest bidder.
-wait until the deadline of his final season and trade him for whatever to wherever he's willing to go, if (big if) they are out of the Playoff picture.
-If they are in the Playoffs he either re-signs or walks for nothing, business as usual for a NHL team.

Really trading him at the TDL and being in the Playoffs is going to sit worse for most fans than him walking as a UFA. Whatever they get in return is going to be a downgrade and it'll be a wasted chance at a Cup by dumping the best player the team has ever had for futures.

Digitalbooya said:
Call that Wisconsin optimism vs Minnesota pessimism.
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This usually only comes after several adult drinks sometime after lunch on a normal day.
 
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Digitalbooya said:
You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Kaprizov has a full NMC, so you’d have to get his okay to trade him. He could easily say no. He could say yes. If he’s not willing to sign long term, then yeah he’s probably willing to be traded. I’d like to think he sticks around though. Call that Wisconsin optimism vs Minnesota pessimism.
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If the Wild are a bad team at the time, he'll probably say yes to a trade as long as it's to a contending team. If the Wild are good at the time, he'll probably say no because he wants to re-sign. There's a third possibility, where Kaprizov says no to a trade out of spite and then leaves anyway, but I don't know why he would do that. He'd have to be very upset to do something like that. There's also a fourth, where he strings the Wild along and then leaves anyway, which is something the management should avoid by acting as early as possible.

I don't expect to have my cake and eat it. I expect the management of the Wild to do a risk assessment and, if losing him for nothing is a very real possibility, to act on it. The return would almost certainly be a lost trade due to Kaprizov being the best player in it and his ability to pick and choose his next team, but that's still a lot better than nothing.
 
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i heart kaprizov / hemi as much as anybody but if a top 15 team offers 4-1sts; 4-3rds; & 4-5ths im taking it instead of paying 13 mill x 7 yrs.
 
DANOZ28 said:
i heart kaprizov / hemi as much as anybody but if a top 15 team offers 4-1sts; 4-3rds; & 4-5ths im taking it instead of paying 13 mill x 7 yrs.
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You'll get a Playoff 1st and a quality prospect for him at the TDL of his final year.

Sell him at the TDL this year (assuming he rebounds into the player he has been) and you'll get 2 Playoff 1sts, a 2nd, a bunch of bad cap (hoptfully without any term), and maybe a quality prospect in return.
 
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His name should be floated around right now. Gauge the interest in him. The amount he depends on Zucc and his slow starts to each season are concerning.
 
DeagleJenkins said:
His name should be floated around right now. Gauge the interest in him. The amount he depends on Zucc and his slow starts to each season are concerning.
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Kap has a $9m cap hit, that isn't an amount that teams can just make work at this point in the season. There are maybe 7 teams that could take him at a full cap hit without sending too much bad cap back. 3 of those teams (CHI, AZ, and NSH) are in the same division. Another (ANA) is in the same Conference. So that leaves BUF, DET, and CBJ as ideal landing spots. DET is the only team of the 7 with a winning record (a couple are .500).

Kap is a TDL or offseason trade player/contract.
 
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Wabit said:
Kap has a $9m cap hit, that isn't an amount that teams can just make work at this point in the season. There are maybe 7 teams that could take him at a full cap hit without sending too much bad cap back. 3 of those teams (CHI, AZ, and NSH) are in the same division. Another (ANA) is in the same Conference. So that leaves BUF, DET, and CBJ as ideal landing spots. DET is the only team of the 7 with a winning record (a couple are .500).

Kap is a TDL or offseason trade player/contract.
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While I don't think the Wild trade kaprizov, and if they do I doubt it'd be in season, I do think there are more options than that. If they're trading Kaprizov they should be open to retaining. The point of the trade would be to rebuild around a core of Boldy, Ek, Rossi, Faber, and upcoming prospects. Cap won't be an issue.

WSH would be a good option. If other teams are in the playoff hunt later in the season could also look at PHI, BUF, NYI, FLA, or NJD with a combination of retention and/or a contract coming back. That's sticking to the eastern conference as I'm sure would be the preference.

If you were open to moving him to the Pacific VAN, ANA, EDM could all work. VGK would also probably do something terrible to fit him as well. There are options as long as the Wild are willing to eat cap and focus long term.
 
Parax said:
While I don't think the Wild trade kaprizov, and if they do I doubt it'd be in season, I do think there are more options than that. If they're trading Kaprizov they should be open to retaining. The point of the trade would be to rebuild around a core of Boldy, Ek, Rossi, Faber, and upcoming prospects. Cap won't be an issue.

WSH would be a good option. If other teams are in the playoff hunt later in the season could also look at PHI, BUF, NYI, FLA, or NJD with a combination of retention and/or a contract coming back. That's sticking to the eastern conference as I'm sure would be the preference.

If you were open to moving him to the Pacific VAN, ANA, EDM could all work. VGK would also probably do something terrible to fit him as well. There are options as long as the Wild are willing to eat cap and focus long term.
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I'm against retaining on Kap if he had more than one year left. I don't see retention adding anything to the return. I save my 3 salary retention spots for players/contracts I really want gone so I can get a positive return instead of paying teams to take them as a cap dump.

Really if you trade Kap you're looking at not competing until the 28-29 season at the earliest. It's when the return for him (and some tank picks) should be ready, the current young players/prospects are in their primes, and all the bad contracts are gone. This is why he won't be traded (unless he demands one).

The GM wants to keep his job and the owner isn't going to stomach an actual rebuild. MN would just end up being BUF; where they tried to be good too soon though trades/UFA and kept setting themselves back.
 
TaLoN said:
f***ing Deano.... he's obsessed with trying to get another GREEF line.
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When Hartman had his 34 goal season, he started out completely on fire playing with Foligno. That line needs a shooter and he can excel there. Boldy gets to be the shooter on his line and Gaudreau can cover for him when he is pushing for offense. Boldy is getting paid to be a difference maker, he can do his own damage when playing well and these lines are designed to get him the puck more.
 
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When Hartman had his 34 goal season, he started out completely on fire playing with Foligno. That line needs a shooter and he can excel there. Boldy gets to be the shooter on his line and Gaudreau can cover for him when he is pushing for offense. Boldy is getting paid to be a difference maker, he can do his own damage when playing well and these lines are designed to get him the puck more.
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Nothing to do with Hartman, everything to do with Ek.

Ek belongs in the top 6.
 
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