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Imagine the average age of this team in 3-4 years, when Spurgeon, Brodin, Zucc, Hartman, foligno, Gaudreau are still around. I can understand a team like PIT keeping around Crosby, Malkin, and Letang...guys who have actually done something, and were elite players in their day.

How can Leipold be onboard with that Geurin is doing?
 
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57special said:
Imagine the average age of this team in 3-4 years, when Spurgeon, Brodin, Zucc, Hartman, foligno, Gaudreau are still around. I can understand a team like PIT keeping around Crosby, Malkin, and Letang...guys who have actually done something, and were elite players in their day.

How can Leipold be onboard with that Geurin is doing?
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Leipold was on the team plane to Sweden.....wonder if he was sitting next to BG. It was a long flight.
 
57special said:
Imagine the average age of this team in 3-4 years, when Spurgeon, Brodin, Zucc, Hartman, foligno, Gaudreau are still around. I can understand a team like PIT keeping around Crosby, Malkin, and Letang...guys who have actually done something, and were elite players in their day.

How can Leipold be onboard with that Geurin is doing?
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Because Leipold cares more about getting 2-3 games of playoff revenue every year than anything else.
 
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57special said:
Imagine the average age of this team in 3-4 years, when Spurgeon, Brodin, Zucc, Hartman, foligno, Gaudreau are still around. I can understand a team like PIT keeping around Crosby, Malkin, and Letang...guys who have actually done something, and were elite players in their day.

How can Leipold be onboard with that Geurin is doing?
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It is so outrageously stupid to sign those guys in the first place. And the lengths of the contracts.... depressive
 
57special said:
Imagine the average age of this team in 3-4 years, when Spurgeon, Brodin, Zucc, Hartman, foligno, Gaudreau are still around. I can understand a team like PIT keeping around Crosby, Malkin, and Letang...guys who have actually done something, and were elite players in their day.

How can Leipold be onboard with that Geurin is doing?
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Especially when GMBG emphasized that

“ it’s about winning.”
 
Full practice in Stockholm today...

-Rossi between the two guns, isn't this what you asked for?
-That 'successful' 2nd line is back.
-Merrill will save us :D

Kaprizov-Rossi-Zuccarello
Johansson-Eriksson Ek-Boldy
Foligno-Hartman-Maroon
Duhaime-Dewar-Lettieri

Brodin-Faber
Middleton-Spurgeon
Merrill-Bogosian

Goalies: Fleury, Gustavsson, Wallstedt.
Extras: Gaudreau, Petan, Goligoski, Mermis, Hunt.
 
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57special said:
Imagine the average age of this team in 3-4 years, when Spurgeon, Brodin, Zucc, Hartman, foligno, Gaudreau are still around. I can understand a team like PIT keeping around Crosby, Malkin, and Letang...guys who have actually done something, and were elite players in their day.

How can Leipold be onboard with that Geurin is doing?
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Hopefully Zucc is gone in 3-4 years
 
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Full practice in Stockholm today...

-Rossi between the two guns, isn't this what you asked for?
-That 'successful' 2nd line is back.
-Merrill will save us :D

Kaprizov-Rossi-Zuccarello
Johansson-Eriksson Ek-Boldy
Foligno-Hartman-Maroon
Duhaime-Dewar-Lettieri

Brodin-Faber
Middleton-Spurgeon
Merrill-Bogosian

Goalies: Fleury, Gustavsson, Wallstedt.
Extras: Gaudreau, Petan, Goligoski, Mermis, Hunt.
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Rossi back with Kaprizov and Boldy? I don’t know that I liked that line before
 
It's November 19th. And even after their loss tonight, the Vikings still have more wins than the Wild. Let that sink in. Marinate in it for a while.
 
I know @Digitalbooya brought this up a while ago, but looking through the contracts and it kinda sticks out now


Players who are eligible and have some type of trade protection
Zuccarello (NMC)
Foligno (NMC)
Gaudreau (15 team no list)
Johansson (Full NTC?)
Hartman (NMC)
Maroon*
Spurgeon (NMC)
Brodin (NMC)
Bogosian*
Fleury (NMC)


Players who are currently ineligible, but have some type of trade protection in place when they become eligible
Kaprizov (NMC)
Boldy (10 team no list)
Eriksson Ek (NMC)


Players who are eligible and don't have some type of trade protection
Middleton
Merrill
Mermis
Lettieri


Players who are ineligible and don't have any in place on their current contracts
Duhaime
Dewar
Rossi (ELC)
Faber (ELC)
Gustavsson


3/4ths of eligible players have some type of trade protection built into their current contracts

Colorado has 3 NMC's and 3 NTC's, Hartman and Gaudreau both have more trade protection than Rantanen
All of these guys have more trade protection than the reigning Conn Smythe winner (5 team no trade list)

We have a really bad GM
 
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AKL said:
I know @Digitalbooya brought this up a while ago, but looking through the contracts and it kinda sticks out now


Players who are eligible and have some type of trade protection
Zuccarello (NMC)
Foligno (NMC)
Gaudreau (15 team no list)
Johansson (Full NTC?)
Hartman (NMC)
Maroon*
Spurgeon (NMC)
Brodin (NMC)
Bogosian*
Fleury (NMC)


Players who are currently ineligible, but have some type of trade protection in place when they become eligible
Kaprizov (NMC)
Boldy (10 team no list)
Eriksson Ek (NMC)


Players who are eligible and don't have some type of trade protection
Middleton
Merrill
Mermis
Lettieri


Players who are ineligible and don't have any in place on their current contracts
Duhaime
Dewar
Rossi (ELC)
Faber (ELC)
Gustavsson


3/4ths of eligible players have some type of trade protection built into their current contracts

Colorado has 3 NMC's and 3 NTC's, Hartman and Gaudreau both have more trade protection than Rantanen
All of these guys have more trade protection than the reigning Conn Smythe winner (5 team no trade list)

We have a really bad GM
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That is severely depressing.
 
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That is severely depressing.
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Also more or less means all the money we're going to find in the next few years with the dead cap hits coming off the books and the cap ceiling increasing has to be earmarked for the likes of Rossi, Faber, Yurov, Kaprizov (maybe), etc. We still can't really afford to go big game hunting because we can't move guys like Foligno, Zuccarello or Hartman off the team to acquire more money when Guerin inevitably backs us up against the wall again.
 
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AKL said:
I know @Digitalbooya brought this up a while ago, but looking through the contracts and it kinda sticks out now


Players who are eligible and have some type of trade protection
Zuccarello (NMC)
Foligno (NMC)
Gaudreau (15 team no list)
Johansson (Full NTC?)
Hartman (NMC)
Maroon*
Spurgeon (NMC)
Brodin (NMC)
Bogosian*
Fleury (NMC)


Players who are currently ineligible, but have some type of trade protection in place when they become eligible
Kaprizov (NMC)
Boldy (10 team no list)
Eriksson Ek (NMC)


Players who are eligible and don't have some type of trade protection
Middleton
Merrill
Mermis
Lettieri


Players who are ineligible and don't have any in place on their current contracts
Duhaime
Dewar
Rossi (ELC)
Faber (ELC)
Gustavsson


3/4ths of eligible players have some type of trade protection built into their current contracts

Colorado has 3 NMC's and 3 NTC's, Hartman and Gaudreau both have more trade protection than Rantanen
All of these guys have more trade protection than the reigning Conn Smythe winner (5 team no trade list)

We have a really bad GM
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Ye old country club strikes again.
 
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Also more or less means all the money we're going to find in the next few years with the dead cap hits coming off the books and the cap ceiling increasing has to be earmarked for the likes of Rossi, Faber, Yurov, Kaprizov (maybe), etc. We still can't really afford to go big game hunting because we can't move guys like Foligno, Zuccarello or Hartman off the team to acquire more money when Guerin inevitably backs us up against the wall again.
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There's a little bit of hope:
-Spurgeon's NMC turns into a 10 team no trade clause after this season
-Brodin's NMC drops off and he has zero trade protection after next season
-Hartman's NMC turns into a 15 team no trade in 25-26 and a 10 team no trade in 26-27
-Foligno's NMC turns into a 15 team no trade for 26-27 and 27-28

It's actually rather interesting that each season at least one person has less trade protection than the year prior. Maybe that was by design?

The unfortunate part about this is we obviously need Spurgeon and Brodin, so we are locked into them/this roster for at least two years or until Spacek/Lambos/Hunt/O'Rourke/Peart/etc force their way onto the NHL roster to allow for a trade.
 
Players demanding NMCs is a good thing, it means they want to be here. It also means there are teams in this league that they do not want to be on, extremely reasonable IMO.

People waive NTCs all the time if it is to their benefit, its on Guerin to make it mutually beneficial if things do get to that point with some of these guys. As of now though, none really deserve to be traded in my opinion, its still an extremely small sample in the grand scheme of things, and all of our NMC guys are actually playing pretty well.

Why worry about something that isn't an actual problem and is unlikely to become one? The only downside is an expansion draft that won't happen before most of these are up, or a potentially slightly lower trade value on players that would have been deemed replaceable by the organization. Big whoop, that minuscule trade value drop is worth it to keep valued players happy and dedicated to performing for this team over the long haul, it gives buy in, and its why Talbot's agent even felt justified in confronting Guerin on the draft floor over not being extended.

These guys all left money on the table on their deals knowing the situation we are in, random UFA targets that everyone dreams about won't have the same warm fuzzies for this team when they come to the negotiating table, if they show up at all.
 
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