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Yeah because when Boldy isn't "white hot" he's still generating offensive pressure and chances for his linemates, which is why he still has 7 assists in 10 games despite only having 1 goal on a 3.7 shooting percentage.
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Yeah because when Boldy isn't "white hot" he's still generating offensive pressure and chances for his linemates, which is why he still has 7 assists in 10 games despite only having 1 goal on a 3.7 shooting percentage.
TaLoN
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Right, exactly. Gaudreau and Johansson aren't going to help his production at all at a time where his shot isn't on and he needs linemates who can finish.
Obviously he scored 30 last year and I think he's capable of doing that most of the time going forward, but he is still, and always has been, more of a distributor and facilitator than a finisher.
For the record, my pitchfork is in the shop. It was getting pretty dull after last spring.The mob has their pitchforks out
I think Johansson continuing to get minutes in the top 6 is a joke. A bigger joke than Gaudreau “above” Eriksson Ek. We all know Eriksson Ek is going to get his minutes in. He averages more minutes per game than all forwards but Kaprizov.
Every line that Eriksson Ek is on does well. You use that to your advantage to create line mismatches against opponents if he’s on a line with Foligno and Hartman. Of course, this only works if Kap and Boldy actually produce like they are paid to do.
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And Kaprizov-Ek-Hartman? Works for me. Anything is better than stashing another talented forward with Johansson-Gaudreau and watching that ship sink. I already learned that lesson with Fiala.
Boldy needs to be a finisher, not a distributer and rely on Faber, Middleton, and Letteri to be scoring the goals. If Zucc or Addison gets an assist it's trash. If Boldy gets an assist he's contributing.
Addison was run out of town for 5p, -3 in 12 games (201 mins). He was on ice for 15gf and 13ga total (9gf, 10ga 5v5).
Boldy has 8p, -4 in 10 games (182 mins). He's been on ice for 10gf and 11ga total (6gf, 9ga 5v5).
Middleton has been bloody awful but he's contributing. 9p is 17 games, just ignore the -9 and 29 on ice GA stat line he has.
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What is your point? I already said Boldy needs to be better, and I wasn't one of the ones who wanted Addison gone.
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It's not "preferential treatment" to give Boldy better linemates than Gaudreau and Johansson, it's common sense
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TaLoN
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Must be rough having 2 of the best centers in the league...It could always be worse.
Like the Oilers for example.
Everyone in the top-6 I had has been playing better than Boldy. So it's just about making Boldy better, not the team? What has he done to deserve better linemates (on this roster) than what he's getting?
Playing him on a line that set to be a d-zone, grinding, north-south possession type is setting him up for failure. None of those things are what he is good at. Swapping Boldy and Foligno/Hartman doesn't change what the JEE line is going to do,
Swapping him and Zucc on the Kap line doesn't make that line better. Zucc at least can put the puck in the back of the net. Kap's shot isn't right (1g 5v5), Boldy can't hit anything (1g 5v5), Rossi (6g 5v5) can't be the one carrying the top line as the only scoring threat.
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The middle number doesn't have a 3 in it?
Not even going to bother breaking down last season again where it was the same thing (1g every 10 games or so 5v5) until a white hot streak at the end.
March 4th was the start of the hot streak at the end. From Oct 1st through March 3rd, Boldy had a shooting percentage of 8.25% all strengths and 6.61% 5v5. That's certainly not great.
One thing we should also note, Boldy was playing with a cast of misfits on the opposite wing and Gaudreau at center for much of that time. Not exactly setting him up to succeed offensively. March 2nd was Johansson's first game playing for Minnesota last year and Boldy's hot streak began in game 2.
So, both sides are correct in a sense.
It's not like he was exiled to the 20-21 Fiala island.
Beginning of the year until Mar 1st last year 5v5:
-Boldy 795 mins (20gf/25ga) total ToI
Boldy had 325 mins (6gf/7ga) with JEE and/or Kap. That's 41% of his ToI with the best center and/or the best winger (all pre-injury) on the team.
Boldy and Freddy G (without Kap or JEE) had 350 mins (12gf/12ga) together. That's 44% of his ToI.
Boldy without any of those 3 had 120 mins (2gf/6ga) ToI. 15% of his ToI. Guessing that most of that was the black hole line with Rossi/Foligno?
I'm not listing the corsi. xg, HDC, etc stats. I'm tired, they can be looked up on stat trick, and I don't care. As a blanket statement, they were pretty much all better than the on-ice stats.
Just to put it in perspective, Reaves spent 75 mins (full season) with Kap and/or JEE and they were 5gf/2ga.
Boldy+Rossi = 65 mins
Boldy+Walker = 51 mins
Boldy+Steel = 109 mins
Boldy+Foligno = 134 mins
Boldy+Duhaime = 41 mins
Boldy+Gaudreau = 363 mins
Boldy+Greenway = 54 mins
Boldy+Shaw = 49 mins
Boldy+Petan = 61 minutes
Sure, no one individual played a significant amount of time with Boldy except for Gaudreau. But that's exactly my point. Yes, Boldy had 144 minutes with Kaprizov. Yes, Boldy had 198 minutes with Eriksson Ek. But Gaudreau was the guy to have the most time with Boldy. There's one offensive black hole as his most common linemate. Then you have the absolute cluster F above that shows he had a wide cast of misfits on his opposite wing.
What's funny is up until MAR 1 is Steel, and Freddy G, had more 5v5 points than Boldy. Foligno was tied and played 13 less games. Shaw was 3p behind and played 17 less games. It's not like they were the ones dragging Boldy down and making him shank everything. It probably cost him a few assists, sure.
He had the opportunity to play with the better FWDs and did worse with them than he did the scrubs on the lineup. The scrubs produced without Boldy just fine too. The black hole at 5v5 was as much Boldy as anyone else he played with. He's a $7m AAV cap hit, he has to make the players on his line better. So far he's just been a complimentary player that gets hot once in awhile. Even his rookie year with Fiala he went cold 7% s% to end the season (3g in last 20 games). It's a far cray from the 12g in 27 games 16.9% s% when he broke into the NHL.
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It's interesting, the top guys can actually be traded if this season goes to hell. Kaprizov and Boldy have no trade protection this year, Zuccarello has a 10 teams no trade clause.
Do you think Guerin will do something like this? I guess it's hard to find takers for Kap and Boldy, cap space says Wild can't retain much. Zucc should be easier to move.
Do you think Guerin will do something like this? I guess it's hard to find takers for Kap and Boldy, cap space says Wild can't retain much. Zucc should be easier to move.
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