Minnesota Wild General Discussion - 2023-24

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My dear AKL, I'd say it's been in the readings for a long time that they really want to keep Zuccarello. Even when Fiala got traded, and again when they let Dumba go.

Russo, in that article, mentioned all the good reasons for keeping him.
He also mentions all the good reasons for keeping Foligno and Hartman. You just have such a hard-on for Zuccarello that you extrapolate what Russo said into some love fest the Wild have for Zuccarello and their apparent deep desire to keep him at all costs.

Which is simply not true, AFAIK.
 
I would argue that none of Zucc/Hartman or Foligno are important to this franchise. We would be better off clearing out room for the kids. Hartman/Foligno can stay for sub 2 million on the 3/4th line if they want. Get rid of Zucc - dude is 36 and showing his age.
 
I fully expect Zucc and Foligno to be re-signed. I think Hartman will want a legit pay raise that we cannot afford.

I think I'd give Hartman up to about 4.75x4 if he wanted it. I like his game (outside of the penalties) and I like his versatility, I think he'd be a better investment than either Zuccarello or Foligno. I'm somewhat concerned by the "haircut" Zuccarello will (have to) take. I wouldn't really wanna go much higher than 3.5M with him. The other thing that concerns me with Zuccarello is a lack of durability at this point. He's been injured every single postseason since he's been here, and he's clogging up big minutes in a big role for a guy you can't depend on when it counts.
 
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3 years is too long for Zucc. 1 year + bonuses, or a 2 year deal (ends the same time as Kap's) makes more sense to me; depending on the pay of course.

Unless they are offloading Kap before his NTC kicks in (unlikely), then re-singing Zucc makes no sense for the team or the player.

If Hartman stays 1C all season, he'll price himself out of MN, or at least what I'd want to pay him.

If Foligno isn't re-signed, GMBG will just go out and overpay some other big guy to fill that roster spot. So I'm fine keeping him if it's not a dumb contract.
 
Kaprizov - Eriksson Ek - Zuccarello ($4)
Johansson - Rossi (ELC) - Boldy
Khusnutdinov (ELC) - Gaudreau - Hartman ($4.5)
Duhaime ($1.5) - Dewar ($1.25) - Shaw ($1)
13th Forward ($0.75)

Brodin - Faber (ELC)
Middleton - Spurgeon
Merrill - Addison (?)
7th Defenseman ($0.75)

Gustavsson
Wallstedt (ELC)

This is ~$3M under the cap next year if the cap doesn't go up (it should) and with only Addison left to re-sign. If somebody like Lambos can displace Middleton, it'll add another ~$1.5 to work with.

Problem is, not a lot of salary dropping off the following year with Rossi, Faber and Wallstedt all needing their 2nd contracts. Just Johansson and Middleton, basically.
 
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I'm more than fine with Zuccarello coming back at a reasonable amount, as long as the team is more willing to be flexible who he plays with.

A veteran skill player making $4M or less is a reasonable price, even for an older player, but if he's still thought of as locked into playing with Kaprizov no matter what, it's less appealing.
I'm with you, re-signing Zucc as if he had a NMC from his line makes no sense. But just from a logistical standpoint, if you have a guy that can produce 40-50pts, not be a liability defensively at ~$4mil vs overpaying on the FA market, thats not a bad choice.

But because of Evason's stubbornness, it almost begs the question: perhaps forcing his hand by getting rid of Zucc might be better. We'll see.
 
Kaprizov - Eriksson Ek - Zuccarello ($4)
Johansson - Rossi (ELC) - Boldy
Khusnutdinov (ELC) - Gaudreau - Hartman ($4.5)
Duhaime ($1.5) - Dewar ($1.25) - Shaw ($1)
13th Forward ($0.75)

Brodin - Faber (ELC)
Middleton - Spurgeon
Merrill - Addison (?)
7th Defenseman ($0.75)

Gustavsson
Wallstedt (ELC)

This is ~$3M under the cap next year if the cap doesn't go up (it should) and with only Addison left to re-sign. If somebody like Lambos can displace Middleton, it'll add another ~$1.5 to work with.

Problem is, not a lot of salary dropping off the following year with Rossi, Faber and Wallstedt all needing their 2nd contracts. Just Johansson and Middleton, basically.

Unless I'm mistaken, and I probably am, It shouldn't matter that there's not a lot of salary dropping off because that's the year the buyouts are "over"?
 
I think I'd give Hartman up to about 4.75x4 if he wanted it. I like his game (outside of the penalties) and I like his versatility, I think he'd be a better investment than either Zuccarello or Foligno. I'm somewhat concerned by the "haircut" Zuccarello will (have to) take. I wouldn't really wanna go much higher than 3.5M with him. The other thing that concerns me with Zuccarello is a lack of durability at this point. He's been injured every single postseason since he's been here, and he's clogging up big minutes in a big role for a guy you can't depend on when it counts.
$4.75M is pretty rich for how I view him as a player (2nd-3rd line tweener). I like his versatility and that he is a right shot forward. I also like that when the chips are down, he actually showed up in the playoffs (10pts in 11gp). I just question if he’s really a top 6 player or if he should be more like a 35-40 point 3rd line guy. Do those guys make $4.75M nowadays?
 
$4.75M is pretty rich for how I view him as a player (2nd-3rd line tweener). I like his versatility and that he is a right shot forward. I also like that when the chips are down, he actually showed up in the playoffs (10pts in 11gp). I just question if he’s really a top 6 player or if he should be more like a 35-40 point 3rd line guy. Do those guys make $4.75M nowadays?

Forwards making 4.75M this season:
Alex Tuch
Victor Olofsson
Ilya Mikheyev
David Perron
Pavel Zacha

Expanding the window to 4.5-4.9 you capture these guys:
Blake Coleman
Elias Lindholm
Jesperi Kotkaniemi
Kevin Labanc
Michael Bunting
Ryan O'Reilly
Artturi Lehkonen
Mason Marchment
Brandon Saad
Mike Hoffman
Alex Wennberg

So I don't think it's unreasonable for Hartman to be in that range if he has another good season. I don't think he's a true top six player, but as a middle six guy who can fill a gap there if necessary? He really hasn't been bad.

If you look at the 4.0-4.4 range you get:
Lawson Crouse
Andreas Athanasiou
Tyler Toffoli
Viktor Arvidsson
Trevor Moore
Carter Verhaege
Anthony Beauvillier
Ross Colton
Corey Perry
Nick Foligno
Nino Niederreiter
Jack Roslovic
Jake DeBrusk
Robby Fabbri
Alex Iafallo

If you look at the 3.5-3.9 range you get:
Boone Jenner
Frank Vatrano
Barclay Goodrow
Alex Kerfoot
Joe Pavelski
Brandon Tanev
 
Forwards making 4.75M this season:
Alex Tuch
Victor Olofsson
Ilya Mikheyev
David Perron
Pavel Zacha

Expanding the window to 4.5-4.9 you capture these guys:
Blake Coleman
Elias Lindholm
Jesperi Kotkaniemi
Kevin Labanc
Michael Bunting
Ryan O'Reilly
Artturi Lehkonen
Mason Marchment
Brandon Saad
Mike Hoffman
Alex Wennberg

So I don't think it's unreasonable for Hartman to be in that range if he has another good season. I don't think he's a true top six player, but as a middle six guy who can fill a gap there if necessary? He really hasn't been bad.

If you look at the 4.0-4.4 range you get:
Lawson Crouse
Andreas Athanasiou
Tyler Toffoli
Viktor Arvidsson
Trevor Moore
Carter Verhaege
Anthony Beauvillier
Ross Colton
Corey Perry
Nick Foligno
Nino Niederreiter
Jack Roslovic
Jake DeBrusk
Robby Fabbri
Alex Iafallo

If you look at the 3.5-3.9 range you get:
Boone Jenner
Frank Vatrano
Barclay Goodrow
Alex Kerfoot
Joe Pavelski
Brandon Tanev
Also taking into account a small increase in the cap + it's likely Hartman's big career payday - if he does another 50-60pt paced season like his last two seasons, I think he'll command at least $4.5 (with a good agent, he'll push $5.5 like Tyler Bertuzzi). Compher made $5.1 AAV
 


Assuming the Ek line plays together, I wonder if they slot in Beckman instead of Khaira on Rossi's line.
 
any chance walker makes it?
Very unlikely he makes the team out of camp but I would expect the Wild to have roster movement around the 10 game mark and at the moment he is very likely the first call up for any injuries or underperformance in the top 9. Our cap space doesn’t allow them to carry him to start plus the Sweden trip likely makes roster decisions more firm for now.
 
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any chance walker makes it?
Not straight out of camp, because of MN's cap situation. Rossi would have to really shit the bed, or someone else get traded or LTIR'ed.

Also, Walker is a certain type of player. If someone like Foligno, Duhaime, or Maroon goes down he is not the type of player that will be brought up to replace what they bring. I could see him being brought up to replace any of the offensive players of they go down.
 
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Hoping that if Duhaime outperforms Foligno again they don’t keep him on the 4th. He was a much more effective player last year and wouldn’t be surprised if that trend continued.
 
Hoping that if Duhaime outperforms Foligno again they don’t keep him on the 4th. He was a much more effective player last year and wouldn’t be surprised if that trend continued.
I like Duhaime, but the stats show that Foligno was a better offensive producer last year, nvm the year before. Marcus is also far tougher. It got to the point last year where i thought Duhaime needed to be told not to fight... even against semi-tough guys he looked way outmatched.
Add on to that the fact that Duhaime was out injured for a lot of last year. In general, he has to show a lot more before he becomes a legit option to Foligno. I don't think it's going to happen, myself. I think what we are seeing is what we are going to get... hopefully he can stay healthier, though.
 
Really hoping sportsnet has this game tonight.

Also sucks to hear milne and bankier are going to be out for a bit
 
Not straight out of camp, because of MN's cap situation. Rossi would have to really shit the bed, or someone else get traded or LTIR'ed.

Also, Walker is a certain type of player. If someone like Foligno, Duhaime, or Maroon goes down he is not the type of player that will be brought up to replace what they bring. I could see him being brought up to replace any of the offensive players of they go down.
If Foligno gets injured and they don’t call up Walker, I’m gonna start throwing things. He’s exactly the guy that should be next to Rossi and Gaudreau on the third line. Walker = shooter, Rossi = playmaker, Gaudreau = covers for them defensively
 
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If Foligno gets injured and they don’t call up Walker, I’m gonna start throwing things. He’s exactly the guy that should be next to Rossi and Gaudreau on the third line. Walker = shooter, Rossi = playmaker, Gaudreau = covers for them defensively

That's fine if Freddy G is the center and Walker/Rossi are the wings. Not fine if Freddy G is trying to cover defensively as a winger.

Walker is the callup if top-6 winger is hurt, Khaia is the callup if it's a bottom-6 winger that's hurt.
 
If Foligno gets injured and they don’t call up Walker, I’m gonna start throwing things. He’s exactly the guy that should be next to Rossi and Gaudreau on the third line. Walker = shooter, Rossi = playmaker, Gaudreau = covers for them defensively
I know next to nothing about Walker, but I know that I don´t like Foligno very much, especially after his playoff performance where he did stupid things galore
 
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I like Duhaime, but the stats show that Foligno was a better offensive producer last year, nvm the year before. Marcus is also far tougher. It got to the point last year where i thought Duhaime needed to be told not to fight... even against semi-tough guys he looked way outmatched.
Add on to that the fact that Duhaime was out injured for a lot of last year. In general, he has to show a lot more before he becomes a legit option to Foligno. I don't think it's going to happen, myself. I think what we are seeing is what we are going to get... hopefully he can stay healthier, though.
Of course he was the better producer, Duhaime was exclusively on checking lines and he is not an offensive player. But he was a more effective player down the stretch and their ages suggest that trend may continue. Foligno may be the better fighter but let’s not forget who acted like a donkey and cost us a game against Dallas. The enforcer stuff is largely useless when it comes to winning, who cares if we can fight. Duhaime is a bowling ball who will create room for our skill players; not sure Foligno has the jump to be that guy anymore.

I know next to nothing about Walker, but I know that I don´t like Foligno very much, especially after his playoff performance where he did stupid things galore
He’s become supremely overrated. JEE was obviously the engine of the GREEF line (ever wonder how our best line seems always to include him?!?) and Foligno has clearly lost a step. Guys like him almost never age well - see Clarkson, Lucic etc
 
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