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Dr Jan Itor said:
2025-26
Cap = $92M (currently according to Cap Friendly)
Faber = $8.5M long-term
Rossi = $4.5M bridge
Middleton = $4.5M mid-term
Wallstedt = $2.5M bridge
Khusnuts = $2.5M bridge
Chisholm = $1.5M (2nd year of bridge)
Yurov = ELC

~$8.6M in cap space needing 1 forward to fill out the roster. Middleton, Wallstedt and Khusnutdinov could all be a bit high too.
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What is the salary cap you’re operating with for this estimate?
 
Spurgeon said:
If Middleton gets $4.5M I’m gonna be pissed. We’ve got 4 LD prospects on top of Chisholm. Signing Middleton to $4.5M is essentially the same thing as giving Foligno $4M X 4.

They need to target a better 2LD. Middleton is a 3rd pairing defenseman on a Cup team & those players can’t be making $4.5M.
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I figured I was probably too high. Almost went with $3.5M but decided to be conservative. Ditching him only opens up more money, but I like him on the team.

You're probably right about him being a 3RD on a contender, but I think it's useful having somebody that can play 20 minutes a night and also do what he did to Lauzon. He's also 4 years younger than Foligno.
 
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Dr Jan Itor said:
I figured I was probably too high. Almost went with $3.5M but decided to be conservative. Ditching him only opens up more money, but I like him on the team.

You're probably right about him being a 3RD on a contender, but I think it's useful having somebody that can play 20 minutes a night and also do what he did to Lauzon. He's also 4 years younger than Foligno.
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Middleton is in a weird spot for me as a 2nd/3rd pair tweener. If he's on your second pair, you're probably not a contender, but if he's probably too expensive to play on most contenders third pair. Feels like a guy who could be destined to jump around the middle third of teams in the league playing some type of second pair minutes. Like if he's going to make the most money he can in his career, he's probably not playing for the Cup until maybe the end of his career when he becomes cheaper.
 
Middleton also has more value if he is on a team that lack toughness, size, and physicality on the back end, like us, or NJD. On a team like VGK, not so much.

The hope was that ROR and Hunt would grow into being reasonably big, rugged defenders that would competent two way Dmen, but that hasn't really worked out so far.
 
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Middleton is tricky to pin down, I have him a slight peg below Soucy, it’s difficult to judge because he has looked very solid next to Spurgeon and Faber, but really bad results with everyone else. So you question if he can carry a pairing, but then you also consider that our right side depth guys are just truly terrible and maybe that can be forgiven. Playing with Mermis cannot be fun, they had awful chemistry. I agree that ideally he is on your 3rd pair and providing physical play while chipping in here and there, next year hopefully provides more clarity on if he can be relied upon without the Faber security blanket.
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
I figured I was probably too high. Almost went with $3.5M but decided to be conservative. Ditching him only opens up more money, but I like him on the team.

You're probably right about him being a 3RD on a contender, but I think it's useful having somebody that can play 20 minutes a night and also do what he did to Lauzon. He's also 4 years younger than Foligno.
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4 years younger, but he’ll be nearly 30 when that contract starts. I just really don’t want to be stuck paying him $4.5M to play on the 3rd pairing. As long as Guerin doesn’t give him any sort of trade protection, then maybe I would be okay with something in the $3-4M range.

I like Middleton, but he’s a #5 guy who has been carried by very good RDs his entire NHL career (EK, Spurgeon, & Faber). I’d stick him with Bogosian next year and see how that pairing does before handing him an extension.

Faber, Brodin, & Spurgeon are the only Top 4 defensemen on the roster. I’d rather they take that $4.5M & add a few more $M to get a real 1LD or 2LD.
 
Spurgeon said:
We’re also not getting offense from the blueline. Moving Spurgeon would probably cost us assets right now given his injury. Given that we have absolutely no RD prospects pushing for a spot, it doesn’t make sense to trade away the only other RD we have that is competent enough to play top pair minutes. Only exception would be if they were targeting a replacement in UFA or in a trade.
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I agree Spurgeon is currently a cap dump (due to injury). It's for the 25-26 season, so a decent/healthy year and with some retention ($2m?) he'll be tradeable. The earliest I think he could have positive trade value is the TDL next year.

The d-corps this year has already outproduced last year.
23-24: 97p (5v5), 135p (total). pace of 116p (5v5) and 162p (total)
22-23: 86p (5v5), 133p (total)
For comparison; the FWDs last year had 500p (total), this year they are at 430p (total), 518p (pace).

I don't see the overall d-man points changing much with Spurgeon in the lineup. The distribution of points between the d-men would change, but the overall total I think would be pretty much the same.
 
Wabit said:
I don't think they will either. I think it'll be another Dumba situation: GMBG overvalues his players and lack of interest for him around the league.
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I'm fine with Spurgeon. He's a lot better than Dumba. Probably not worth $7.5M but that was a pre-Covid contract. Tough break.
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
I'm fine with Spurgeon. He's a lot better than Dumba. Probably not worth $7.5M but that was a pre-Covid contract. Tough break.
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He was the OG contract along the lines of Foligno, Freddy G, and Hartman from GMBG: Signed too early, for too much money, too much term, and NMC/NTC when he could have been traded at the TDL instead in what was a down season for the Wild.
 
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Wabit said:
I agree Spurgeon is currently a cap dump (due to injury). It's for the 25-26 season, so a decent/healthy year and with some retention ($2m?) he'll be tradeable. The earliest I think he could have positive trade value is the TDL next year.

The d-corps this year has already outproduced last year.
23-24: 97p (5v5), 135p (total). pace of 116p (5v5) and 162p (total)
22-23: 86p (5v5), 133p (total)
For comparison; the FWDs last year had 500p (total), this year they are at 430p (total), 518p (pace).

I don't see the overall d-man points changing much with Spurgeon in the lineup. The distribution of points between the d-men would change, but the overall total I think would be pretty much the same.
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You've thought Spurgeon is a cap dump since he signed his extension
 
Wabit said:
He was the OG contract along the lines of Foligno, Freddy G, and Hartman from GMBG: Signed too early, for too much money, too much term, and NMC/NTC when he could have been traded at the TDL instead in what was a down season for the Wild.
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I mean, except Spurgeon would have got that contract from anyone and had earned it based on his performance.
 
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I mean, except Spurgeon would have got that contract from anyone and had earned it based on his performance.
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No he wouldn't have. He was overpaid after a career year, and only full season of games played in his career. His contract year he got injured and missed 10% of the season again. He would have gotten the standard $6m x 6 vet contract. Not the top-10 d-man league wide money he was paid. Then The cap froze due to COVID (bad luck, but it still happened).

The Spurgeon contract is worse than what Foligno was given as far as an overpay.
 
Me after finding out Brodin is injured:
 

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We should not be trading anyone when we are so close!!!! Spurgeon is one of us and we are right there gang!!!
 
f7ben said:
We should not be trading anyone when we are so close!!!! Spurgeon is one of us and we are right there gang!!!
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Unwarranted hyperbole. Is this a carry-over from the main board where you are suggesting that we trade Ek and Kaprizov right now?
 
f7ben said:
Yes
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Hey, I gave a suggestion for a team that does exactly what you wanted. The Yotes always trade away their good players and have tons of trade picks. They're SO CLOSE to getting into the second round of the playoffs.
 
Minnewildsota said:
Hey, I gave a suggestion for a team that does exactly what you wanted. The Yotes always trade away their good players and have tons of trade picks. They're SO CLOSE to getting into the second round of the playoffs.
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But do they have good players? I mean they did end up with a pretty respectable draft position for their 1st rounder in the Chychrun trade (12th).
 
keppel146 said:
But do they have good players? I mean they did end up with a pretty respectable draft position for their 1st rounder in the Chychrun trade (12th).
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I would say the Yotes have had good players. Down, Yandle, Janokowski, Chychrun, etc.

Currently they have promising/good players: Cooley, Karel, Keller, etc
 
Well - do we end up passing VGK and take that last Wild Card slot?

Would be hilarious given how all in they went at the deadline.
 
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