Minnesota Wild General Discussion - 2023-24

[f7ben]

I say no. I absolutely say no.

And that’s totally understandable.

 

[NHL1674]

We need to have a party when that dead cap comes off the books. It's gonna feel goooooood.

 

[f7ben]

We need to have a party when that dead cap comes off the books. It's gonna feel goooooood.

Yurov getting here at the same time will only make it better.

 

[DANOZ28]

i h8te too be a buzzkill ,after the dead cap is gone faber will surely get a huge raise; then
kaprizov shortly after. not leaving as much cap room as i'd hoped for improvement.

 

[kfan22]

For LA:
Should Win: Blackhawksx2, Kraken, Sharks, Ducks x2
Toss-up: Lightning, Flames x2, Wild x2
Unlikely to Win: Canucks x2, Oilers, Jets,

For VGK:
Should Win: Kraken, Blue Jackets, Coyotes, Blackhawks, Ducks
Toss-up: Lightning, Blues, Predators, Wild x2
Unlikely to Win: Jets, Canucks x2, Oilers, Avs

Looking at these I expect both of them to pick up 6-7 losses. If the Kings and Knights win what they should, lose what they should, and split the toss-ups, their records would be 8-6-1 and 7-7-1 respectively. This would put the number of standings points required for the Wild to get into the playoffs at 95 (Vegas would have 94 and the tie-breaker).

Using the same method for the Wild as I did for LA and VGK, I expect the Wild's record over the remaining games to be 8-4-2. This puts them at 92 points, and the Wild need would one of LA or VGK to have a record of 6-9 or worse from here out. I think these are all fairly realistic expectations, but crazy stuff happens, and the number to get in could go significantly lower or higher.

I love the Unlikely to win column, there are certain teams these do not apply to and Vegas is one of them, especially when they are 5-2-1 against the teams listed already this year.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

i h8te too be a buzzkill ,after the dead cap is gone faber will surely get a huge raise; then
kaprizov shortly after. not leaving as much cap room as i'd hoped for improvement.

Faber, yes, but Kaprizov can basically just take Zucc's cap hit.

Maybe we can snag a hometown discount from Faber.

 

[BagHead]

I love the Unlikely to win column, there are certain teams these do not apply to and Vegas is one of them, especially when they are 5-2-1 against the teams listed already this year.

That's a fair adjustment to make, if you want to. I was attempting to give a generally favorable outcome to the Wild, and it still had them coming up short of the playoffs. I don't see the Wild making the playoffs, barring a big win streak for the Wild, accompanied by a big losing streak for one of LA or Vegas.

 

[f7ben]

Don’t forget Rossi needing a contract as well. Guerin won’t have a lot to work with. Maybe enough to add one impact player at 7-8m

 

[MuckOG]

Don’t forget Rossi needing a contract as well. Guerin won’t have a lot to work with. Maybe enough to add one impact player at 7-8m

Rossi and Faber extensions wouldn't kick in until '25-'26 when the dead cap space goes away. The Wild should have plenty of cap space to re-sign their RFAs and sign an impact UFA or two.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

Rossi and Faber extensions wouldn't kick in until '25-'26 when the dead cap space goes away. The Wild should have plenty of cap space to re-sign their RFAs and sign an impact UFA or two.

The cap is also expected to increase dramatically in the coming years after the Covid cap limits drops off. The increase from that alone may cover the Faber and Rossi extensions.

 

[f7ben]

Hopefully by 25-26 we’ve found a way to be rid of Freddy and Foligno. Fluery will be gone. Hopefully we’ve figured out how to be rid of Spurgeon and Zucc as well by then.

 

[MuckOG]

Hopefully by 25-26 we’ve found a way to be rid of Freddy and Foligno. Fluery will be gone. Hopefully we’ve figured out how to be rid of Spurgeon and Zucc as well by then.

My only issue with Foligno is the length of his extension and the NTC clause. I would prefer him on a 3 year deal and/or no NMC. When healthy, he is a good player and fills a role that we need.

As long as Zucc can keep producing at a near PPG rate, I'm fine with him sticking around. Although I am fearing that the inevitable decline could appear at any time. But '25-'26 will be the final year of his contract, so there's that.....

Good luck getting rid of Freddy. I can't see another team wanting to take on the length of his deal.....and he would have to agree to be dealt.

 

[NHL1674]

i h8te too be a buzzkill ,after the dead cap is gone faber will surely get a huge raise; then
kaprizov shortly after. not leaving as much cap room as i'd hoped for improvement.

At least we will be able to use the money instead of it being untouchable.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

2025-26
Cap = $92M (currently according to Cap Friendly)
Faber = $8.5M long-term
Rossi = $4.5M bridge
Middleton = $4.5M mid-term
Wallstedt = $2.5M bridge
Khusnuts = $2.5M bridge
Chisholm = $1.5M (2nd year of bridge)
Yurov = ELC

~$8.6M in cap space needing 1 forward to fill out the roster. Middleton, Wallstedt and Khusnutdinov could all be a bit high too.

 

[f7ben]

2025-26
Cap = $92M (currently according to Cap Friendly)
Faber = $8.5M long-term
Rossi = $4.5M bridge
Middleton = $4.5M mid-term
Wallstedt = $2.5M bridge
Khusnuts = $2.5M bridge
Chisholm = $1.5M (2nd year of bridge)
Yurov = ELC

~$8.6M in cap space needing 1 forward to fill out the roster. Middleton, Wallstedt and Khusnutdinov could all be a bit high too.

So like I said , one 7-8m player

 

[Wonderful Tacos]

My only issue with Foligno is the length of his extension and the NTC clause. I would prefer him on a 3 year deal and/or no NMC. When healthy, he is a good player and fills a role that we need.

As long as Zucc can keep producing at a near PPG rate, I'm fine with him sticking around. Although I am fearing that the inevitable decline could appear at any time. But '25-'26 will be the final year of his contract, so there's that.....

Good luck getting rid of Freddy. I can't see another team wanting to take on the length of his deal.....and he would have to agree to be dealt.

Freddys got a 15 team ntc i think but you can just bury him in iowa and wipe out half his cap hit and the threat of that i would think would make freddy pretty willing to play anywhere in the NHL.

 

[kfan22]

Freddys got a 15 team ntc i think but you can just bury him in iowa and wipe out half his cap hit and the threat of that i would think would make freddy pretty willing to play anywhere in the NHL.

you would still need to find a team willing to take him for likely multiple years.

 

[Sota Popinski]

i h8te too be a buzzkill ,after the dead cap is gone faber will surely get a huge raise; then
kaprizov shortly after. not leaving as much cap room as i'd hoped for improvement.

If you want to keep good players, you have to pay them. It's not like there are good teams who don't have multiple $8M players

 

[Wabit]

2025-26
Cap = $92M (currently according to Cap Friendly)
Faber = $8.5M long-term
Rossi = $4.5M bridge
Middleton = $4.5M mid-term
Wallstedt = $2.5M bridge
Khusnuts = $2.5M bridge
Chisholm = $1.5M (2nd year of bridge)
Yurov = ELC

~$8.6M in cap space needing 1 forward to fill out the roster. Middleton, Wallstedt and Khusnutdinov could all be a bit high too.

Trade Spurgeon and that opens up a lot of cap space. Currently MN (5v5) has the lowest xGA and 3rd lowest HDCA with the rest of the defensive numbers also being top-10.

Their offensive numbers aren't good though; but I attribute most of that to having a what amounts to a 1st line, a 3rd line, a 12/13 FWD line, and an AHL line.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Trade Spurgeon and that opens up a lot of cap space. Currently MN (5v5) has the lowest xGA and 3rd lowest HDCA with the rest of the defensive numbers also being top-10.

Their offensive numbers aren't good though; but I attribute most of that to having a what amounts to a 1st line, a 3rd line, a 12/13 FWD line, and an AHL line.

NMC I think.

 

[MNRube]

A bounce back year from Spurgeon would put us back into the mix next year I think. It’s not like he’s some explosive skater anyways. He’s a guy who should age well if he can stay on the ice.

The solid team defense numbers just illustrate how poorly Gus has been. He has a relatively easy gig and just flat out needs to be better.

 

[NHL1674]

NMC I think.

Gotta love those NMC's.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

NMC I think.

It drops to an NTC following this season, don’t remember how many teams though.

 

[Wabit]

NMC I think.

It drops to an NTC following this season, don’t remember how many teams though.

10 team NTC starts July 1st this summer.

 

[Spurgeon]

2025-26
Cap = $92M (currently according to Cap Friendly)
Faber = $8.5M long-term
Rossi = $4.5M bridge
Middleton = $4.5M mid-term
Wallstedt = $2.5M bridge
Khusnuts = $2.5M bridge
Chisholm = $1.5M (2nd year of bridge)
Yurov = ELC

~$8.6M in cap space needing 1 forward to fill out the roster. Middleton, Wallstedt and Khusnutdinov could all be a bit high too.

If Middleton gets $4.5M I’m gonna be pissed. We’ve got 4 LD prospects on top of Chisholm. Signing Middleton to $4.5M is essentially the same thing as giving Foligno $4M X 4.

They need to target a better 2LD. Middleton is a 3rd pairing defenseman on a Cup team & those players can’t be making $4.5M.

Trade Spurgeon and that opens up a lot of cap space. Currently MN (5v5) has the lowest xGA and 3rd lowest HDCA with the rest of the defensive numbers also being top-10.

Their offensive numbers aren't good though; but I attribute most of that to having a what amounts to a 1st line, a 3rd line, a 12/13 FWD line, and an AHL line.

We’re also not getting offense from the blueline. Moving Spurgeon would probably cost us assets right now given his injury. Given that we have absolutely no RD prospects pushing for a spot, it doesn’t make sense to trade away the only other RD we have that is competent enough to play top pair minutes. Only exception would be if they were targeting a replacement in UFA or in a trade.