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Luceni said:
The question is: Who sits when JoJo and Marat sneak into the lineup? My best guess is Rossi & Shaw or Lucchini
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I've been down on the way Rossi has been handled at times here, but in defense of Hynes, Rossi is back on the "second line" again, if the Wild have one of those. There's really not much else they can do with him with the pieces they have short of breaking up the top line, which I would advocate for, but it's really the only reason we're winning games.
 
I will also have to say that Rossi was not very good last game. I don't know if he is starting to wear down in his first full season, but he is back to looking a half step slow, which he can't afford to be with his lack of reach.

Not saying he should be scratched. That would be one of Letierri or Luchinni... Beckman hasn't done much, but would like him to get a little bit more time to see if he can do anything at the NHL level.
 
57special said:
I will also have to say that Rossi was not very good last game. I don't know if he is starting to wear down in his first full season, but he is back to looking a half step slow, which he can't afford to be with his lack of reach.

Not saying he should be scratched. That would be one of Letierri or Luchinni... Beckman hasn't done much, but would like him to get a little bit more time to see if he can do anything at the NHL level.
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I would understand Faber wearing down due to it being his first season and coming from college. Rossi has 2 full AHL pro seasons and is from the CHL, so he he should be used to workload by now.

Shaw, L's, and Freddy G should be the scratch list. Add in Beckman (5-10 games in a row is what I'd like him to get) to the list after a couple more games.
 
Wabit said:
I would understand Faber wearing down due to it being his first season and coming from college. Rossi has 2 full AHL pro seasons and is from the CHL, so he he should be used to workload by now.

Shaw, L's, and Freddy G should be the scratch list. Add in Beckman (5-10 games in a row is what I'd like him to get) to the list after a couple more games.
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Yeah. Rossi shouldn't be anywhere near the scratch list. He may be slowing down a bit, but there are many nights when he's near the top with shots on goal. He's trying unlike some others. And that's with crappy linemates for the most part.
 
I think it’s fair to think that Rossi, who will be 23 next year, maybe won’t become the player we had hoped when he was drafted. Will likely still be a good player, but he lost a year and a half of critical development time in terms of developing strength. It’s also very possible that he still becomes the player we thougth, just on a delayed timeline. Guerin needs to handle this situation delicately.
 
DemidovSaveUs said:
I think it’s fair to think that Rossi, who will be 23 next year, maybe won’t become the player we had hoped when he was drafted. Will likely still be a good player, but he lost a year and a half of critical development time in terms of developing strength. It’s also very possible that he still becomes the player we thougth, just on a delayed timeline. Guerin needs to handle this situation delicately.
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I think he’s basically right on schedule. He’s smart, conservative and wins more battles than one would think. I also get the impression he has a better work ethic than most guys in the league and will keep improving. He won’t be a PPG guy unless he’s put with Boldy & Kap but he’s tracking like a solid 2C or a very good 3C.

Give him better 5v5 linemates and some time on PP1 and I think the narrative is completely different.
 
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I don't think they're happy with Rossi, he's gone pointless in the last 9 games. That's not good, certainly not now when wins are so important. I doubt he'll sit, but could be moved down when Khusnutdinov is ready.
 
Age, pro seasons whatever else he has already experienced: let's not forget Rossi is still a rookie. He has hit the rookie wall right around the time many rookies find themselves in a bit of a hole. I don't think his play these past 9 games has been bad at all, maybe the latter two have not been great. But he is still doing mostly good things on the ice, still winning battles and doing his thing. Just not with quite the same confidence he had at the start of the season. He does not look out of place on the second line yet he still struggles to produce, just like most other forwards past the top 4 on the roster.

Starting to project "he will not be the player yada yada" because he has a ~10 game sample size of mediocre games is just typical HF boards "what have you done for me lately" kind of behaviour. He was one of the best forwards in the "must win" games where the rest of the Wild mailed it in. People's memories are very short. He is a rookie and he played a pretty good rookie campaign up until recently. Giving up on him now just because the new toy has arrived in town really shows a lack of understanding how developing assets works.
 
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DemidovSaveUs said:
I think it’s fair to think that Rossi, who will be 23 next year, maybe won’t become the player we had hoped when he was drafted. Will likely still be a good player, but he lost a year and a half of critical development time in terms of developing strength. It’s also very possible that he still becomes the player we thougth, just on a delayed timeline. Guerin needs to handle this situation delicately.
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Tage Thompson Rule. Not crossing anything off until he's 25.
 
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last year many had written rossi off, i think hes had a very good year even if hes in a slump. hes still learning how to be a pro. the effort is there , skating is decent the scoring should come. JEE took awhile to learn to play the right way.
 
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DANOZ28 said:
last year many had written rossi off, i think hes had a very good year even if hes in a slump. hes still learning how to be a pro. the effort is there , skating is decent the scoring should come. JEE took awhile to learn to play the right way.
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Fully agree here, if yurov turns out we should be drooling at the possibility of 3 quality centers.
 
Was listening to Russo's podcast where he and LaPanta got into it over the foligno/hartman/zucc signings and pretty unimpressed with the conversation.

First, lemme say I understand and am pretty sympathetic to the argument that it would have been better to trade these guys for draft picks and do a *light* tank this year with the goal of supercharging the upcoming competitive window. I think its possible they could have done that, kept the Wild down around pick #5, added a handful of late 1sts and 2nds, and not disgruntled Kaprizov and the rest of the stars too badly.

But that being said, I dont really get the argument Russo was making that the prospects are now blocked because of these deals.

Hartman only has an NMC next year - after that its a 15 and then 10 team NTC. There will be a market to move him after next year if a better player needs a top 9 spot.

Foligno has an NMC next year and the one following but after that 15 team NTCs the following two years and I believe there will be a market for his services. I wouldnt expect the return to be as much as it would have been this year as a rental but he plays a pretty identical game at a similar cap hit to his older brother Nick who hasnt had trouble finding work.

Zuccarello has full NMC and its 35+ contract so he cant be buried but its only the next two seasons and if he gets bumped from his top 6 role maybe he opens up to waiving? Or maybe if its just the last year of his deal that becomes an issue maybe buying it out isnt so unpalatable.

Freddy Gaudreau has been cheeks this year. I wouldnt expect any return at all but he has no trade protection and its not implausible he could be moved at some point during his contract as part of a larger trade or maybe with a small sweetener. Alternatively they could always just bury most of his contract in the AHL.

Marcus Johansson - gone after next year.

There's still going to be options to move guys around and promote those that demand a bigger role as the team goes forward.

Did Guerin compromise some future potential for the present by retaining these guys? Yes.

Does that mean the best prospects are now blocked from opportunity and the success of the team now hinges on Hartman/Foligno/Zuccarello? Absolutely not.

Why Lapanta couldn't just make that argument instead of some confused comparison to the situation with the previous core idk but he really is just a haircut with a nice voice.
 
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Certainly those roster spots having vets in them probably is playing some role on the current Yurov situation
 
f7ben said:
Certainly those roster spots having vets in them probably is playing some role on the current Yurov situation
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I guess idk that at all. Ofc its logical that if they were promised a top 6 NHL that would be enticing but we dont know how much of it is player-driven or what their considerations are

From Guerin's press conference on Khusnutdinov "we've had to have a lot of patience but in dealing with these guys you have to do whats right for the player and what they want in their development process and y'know for a lot of these kids living in a different country is a big step so you have to wait and be patient and wait until *they're* ready"

We don't know what their reasons are but its logical and seems a pattern with all of them that they're not too open to playing in the AHL rather than the KHL and they seem to only really want to come over to play that one last year of their ELC in NHL before getting their first significant contract. Pretty understandable imo.
 
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They're only blocked if they refuse to play Foligno on the 4th line. And it depends on how many rookie forwards they're going to want to put in the NHL at one time.

2024-25
Kap - Ek - Boldy
Mojo - Rossi - Zucc
Foligno - Khus - Hartman
Shaw - UFA - Gaudreau

If Yurov and Ohgren both come over next year, and they want them both in the NHL lineup:

Kap - Ek - Boldy
Yurov - Rossi - Zucc
Ohgren - Hartman - Mojo
Foligno - Khus - Gaudreau
Shaw

Honestly, there isn't any room for Heidt anyway, unless you want to split up the top line or put 2 rookies on the same forward line. Heidt could then take Johansson's spot with Ohgren and Hartman when Mojo leaves after next year. Or they could trade Johansson at any time.
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
They're only blocked if they refuse to play Foligno on the 4th line. And it depends on how many rookie forwards they're going to want to put in the NHL at one time.

2024-25
Kap - Ek - Boldy
Mojo - Rossi - Zucc
Foligno - Khus - Hartman
Shaw - UFA - Gaudreau

If Yurov and Ohgren both come over next year, and they want them both in the NHL lineup:

Kap - Ek - Boldy
Yurov - Rossi - Zucc
Ohgren - Hartman - Mojo
Foligno - Khus - Gaudreau
Shaw

Honestly, there isn't any room for Heidt anyway, unless you want to split up the top line or put 2 rookies on the same forward line. Heidt could then take Johansson's spot with Ohgren and Hartman when Mojo leaves after next year. Or they could trade Johansson at any time.
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I think the luxury we have with Yurov/Ohgren/Khus developing is we can give Heidt the time to really develop.
And my preferred lineup would be

Kaprizov - JEE - Boldy
Khusnutdinov - Rossi - Zucc
Ohgren - Yurov - Hartman
Shaw - Gaudreau - Foligno

Switch Khustnutdinov/Ohgren depending on how you want to use Ohgren - if for his shooting ability, put him with the 2 playmakers Rossi/Zucc, if for his well-rounded powergame, put him with the similar Yurov and Hartman.

In any case, we'll have 3 skilled lines and a dangerous checking duo with Foligno/Shaw. Having 3 skilled but wellrounded lines is my dream.
 
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Circulartheory said:
I think the luxury we have with Yurov/Ohgren/Khus developing is we can give Heidt the time to really develop.
And my preferred lineup would be

Kaprizov - JEE - Boldy
Khusnutdinov - Rossi - Zucc
Ohgren - Yurov - Hartman
Shaw - Gaudreau - Foligno

Switch Khustnutdinov/Ohgren depending on how you want to use Ohgren - if for his shooting ability, put him with the 2 playmakers Rossi/Zucc, if for his well-rounded powergame, put him with the similar Yurov and Hartman.

In any case, we'll have 3 skilled lines and a dangerous checking duo with Foligno/Shaw. Having 3 skilled but wellrounded lines is my dream.
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That 2nd line is TINY.
 
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Dr Jan Itor said:
That 2nd line is TINY.
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Yeaahhh...thats why I'm open to throwing in Ohgren there. But I also thought that with Kaprizov-Rossi-Zucc and they had their moments. Maybe it'll work out with less icetime and versus tougher matchups. The top line and Ohgren-Yurov-Hartman line can play against the big boys.
 
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