Minnesota Wild General Discussion - 2023-24

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Doubled down on the Rossi trade talk. They’re not high on him

Russo's reasoning for why Rossi is tradable doesn't really make sense though. He's basing it on moves Guerin made before this season, from a time when Rossi had not yet proven he belongs in the NHL.

I choose to believe that even Guerin won't think Gaudreau is making Rossi expendable.
 
Marat is fast tho
True. I guess you can remove the word "fast" then. Otherwise, I think it's pretty accurate. We have no idea how good Khusnutdinov will be. What I do know is that Rossi now plays with more jam, in high traffic areas, and wins the majority of his board battles, all the things Guerin asked him to do.
 
Guerin is absolute trash and anything positive that’s happened under his watch has been dumb luck. This moron has run this team into the ground and if it weren’t for catching lightning in a bottle with Kap we would be sitting where the Hawks are.
 
Foligno - missed 15 games so far
Hartman - missed 5 games
Zuccarello - missed 10 games (and is a blackhole when it comes to defense)
Gaudreau - 12 points in 49 GP, hasn't suited or played in 13 games
Johansson - turned back into a pumpkin and has 27 points in 61 GP. Has pretty much disappeared for long stretches.

These are contracts that Guerin has given out. The team is a mess.
 
Foligno - missed 15 games so far
Hartman - missed 5 games
Zuccarello - missed 10 games (and is a blackhole when it comes to defense)
Gaudreau - 12 points in 49 GP, hasn't suited or played in 13 games
Johansson - turned back into a pumpkin and has 27 points in 61 GP. Has pretty much disappeared for long stretches.

These are contracts that Guerin has given out. The team is a mess.
So, you're saying don't hand out multi year deals with trade protection to 30+ year old players before you actually need to decide if you want/need to?
 
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Oh for f***s sakes.

Signing Hartman and Gaudreau should have absolutely nothing to do with your 22 year old rookie center. Both can be 3rd and 4th line RWs for the duration of their contracts.

This is where I'm at. Yes, it was a stupid decision to extend Gaudreau and Hartman last summer when they didn't need to. But that should have no impact on Rossi, whatsoever. We are stuck with both of these guys for the foreseeable future, but that doesn't mean that they have to play center. Convert them to wings and move on.
 
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You can absolutely put those contracts on the wing.
2.1 million for a 4th line winger? 4 million for a 3rd line right winger? Should be around 1/1.5 million at most for Gaudreau if you kick him out to wing. Look at what Maroon is making. You don't overspend on your depth players and that's what Minnesota did. I bet you Hartman wouldn't be as valuable if he was a right winger or Gaudreau either.
 
Again, I hope this is just the writers applying faulty logic and working backwards from what happened last summer. It's their jobs to write things, so they write things.

If it's a reflection on management's thinking, that's trouble. Handing Gaudreau that contract was an overcorrection. Letting that overcorrection dictate what you do with Rossi seems like the opposite of what a GM should do.

Different story if they really don't think Rossi fits with what they're trying to build, but I have yet to see a good argument for that. Khusnutdinov coming over doesn't really affect anything one way or the other at this point.
I was even fine with the Gaudreau contract. A bottom 6 player that has shown that he can at least tread water with skilled players if top 6 injuries occur, I was fine with that for $2.1 million.

I'm definitely with you in your hope.
 
2.1 million for a 4th line winger? 4 million for a 3rd line right winger? Should be around 1/1.5 million at most for Gaudreau if you kick him out to wing. Look at what Maroon is making. You don't overspend on your depth players and that's what Minnesota did. I bet you Hartman wouldn't be as valuable if he was a right winger or Gaudreau either.
As opposed to trading away a 22 year old rookie that has shown promise? Yes.

We have $14 million in dead cap and we can still put those guys in those spots. In a league where top line players are making $9-$10M+, you can have a 3rd line RW making $4M. The problem, if there is one, is having 2 of them.
 
I was even fine with the Gaudreau contract. A bottom 6 player that has shown that he can at least tread water with skilled players if top 6 injuries occur, I was fine with that for $2.1 million.

I'm definitely with you in your hope.
It's really all the trade clauses that went with those deals. I'm probably one of the bigger Hartman fans on here, but he'd be top of my list to move this summer if that makes room for Rossi and some of the other young players. At his age, position and production I'd think he'd fetch an okay return.

Maybe Gaudreau's partial NTC leaves some room to move him? $2m for 4 more years for what he's done this year seems like a harder sell.
 
It's really all the trade clauses that went with those deals. I'm probably one of the bigger Hartman fans on here, but he'd be top of my list to move this summer if that makes room for Rossi and some of the other young players. At his age, position and production I'd think he'd fetch an okay return.

Maybe Gaudreau's partial NTC leaves some room to move him? $2m for 4 more years for what he's done this year seems like a harder sell.

Gaudreau and Hartman were lucky to receive the contracts they did, when they did. I'm still scratching my head why BG felt the need to add in the NMC/NTC clauses as well. If they were demanding that, I would've said "ok, we'll wait".
 
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It's really all the trade clauses that went with those deals. I'm probably one of the bigger Hartman fans on here, but he'd be top of my list to move this summer if that makes room for Rossi and some of the other young players. At his age, position and production I'd think he'd fetch an okay return.

Maybe Gaudreau's partial NTC leaves some room to move him? $2m for 4 more years for what he's done this year seems like a harder sell.
We're not going to put 4 rookies in the lineup next year anyway.

Next year: Khusnuts (Duhaime let go)
Year after: Yurov (Johanssen let go)
Year after: Ohgren + Heidt (Zucc gone, Hartman in final year, Foligno 2 years left but no NMC)

If we pick a forward high this year, he'll fit in somewhere too hopefully. And we might have Kap's spot to fill too.
 
Foligno - missed 15 games so far
Hartman - missed 5 games
Zuccarello - missed 10 games (and is a blackhole when it comes to defense)
Gaudreau - 12 points in 49 GP, hasn't suited or played in 13 games
Johansson - turned back into a pumpkin and has 27 points in 61 GP. Has pretty much disappeared for long stretches.

These are contracts that Guerin has given out. The team is a mess.
And he'll move Rossi thanks to all that @#$!.

#$@! YOU, BILLY. You should be fired for that Foligno contract alone.
 
We're not going to put 4 rookies in the lineup next year anyway.

Next year: Khusnuts (Duhaime let go)
Year after: Yurov (Johanssen let go)
Year after: Ohgren + Heidt (Zucc gone, Hartman in final year, Foligno 2 years left but no NMC)

If we pick a forward high this year, he'll fit in somewhere too hopefully. And we might have Kap's spot to fill too.
Yeah, I guess I haven't really gone through roster or cap projections or anything. I'm mostly cuing off of what Smith is implying about having "room" for everyone, which is probably a bad idea when I'm also hoping that his logic is upside down.

Like you say, there's nothing stopping them from pushing some of that cap space to the wing if it comes to that.
 
My big problem with the contracts that BG gave out were that they were done prematurely, and that they had trade protection in them.

Actually, i had more problems, such as investing in 30+ yo players, and contract length, in many cases...

Zucc would be netting us a 1st if he had no trade protection. Foligno, with no contract, probably a 2nd. Hartman, late 1st/ 2nd +. Gaudreau, after the year he is having? Not much. MarJo's contract i don't have a problem with. It was low because there was a NMC. Can't say the same about Foligno the others, i don't think.

A series of unforced errors by Guerin.
 
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That one week of contract frenzy for Guerin may have set the franchise back years

Agreed. The frustrating part of this is that none of these were necessary to get done when they did. Guerin should've held off on these until at least half way through this season or this coming offseason. No chance does Gaudreau or Johansson get these extensions based on what we've seen in this season and neither are integral to the future.
 
Agreed. The frustrating part of this is that none of these were necessary to get done when they did. Guerin should've held off on these until at least half way through this season or this coming offseason. No chance does Gaudreau or Johansson get these extensions based on what we've seen in this season and neither are integral to the future.
Or Foligno. or Hartman. Zuccs maybe.
 
Varying degrees of trouble with each on their own, which is kind of the nature of the beast with UFA extensions. Putting them all together is where the real problems come up.
Amen.

The timing was also totally unnecessary. There was no reason to sign any of them so early. The odds of them playing themselves into oversized deals were slim.
 
Johansson makes $2M, people. It was worth it to see if whatever he, Boldy and Eriksson Ek had last year carried over.

Gaudreau, ignoring the years, consider it $1.1M for being a bottom 6 (or 3) player, and a $1M kicker for showing competence when forced into a top 6 role via injuries (also shootout specialist).

Fine with Zucc's, as long as he's no longer welded to Kaprizov.

Fine with Hartman's for similar reasons as Gaudreau, minus the shootout.

I think I've made my thoughts clear on Foligno already.
 
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