Minnesota Wild General Discussion - 2022-23

[AKL]

@Dr Jan Itor here are the goals Addison was on ice for. Just a warning, it's even harder to take the complaining about him seriously after watching these.

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Carolina:




Florida:

 

[Wabit]

@Dr Jan Itor here are the goals Addison was on ice for. Just a warning, it's even harder to take the complaining about him seriously after watching these.

Carolina:




Florida:

Addison played the rush wrong on the SH.

Addison is playing chase instead of trading off to Hartman.

Addison should have been between the puck and the net, not chilling in the first row of section 103.

Addison tried to rub his guy out, missed, and ends up just reaching with his stick.

None of the goals are 100% on Addison, but his play contributed to all of them. This is opposite of quality d-zone play.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

@Dr Jan Itor here are the goals Addison was on ice for. Just a warning, it's even harder to take the complaining about him seriously after watching these.

Carolina:




Florida:

Ha. Yeah. Is he even the 4th most responsible for any of these?

I suppose if you already don't like the guy you could attempt to twist them in his direction, but it would take quite the effort.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Addison played the rush wrong on the SH.

Addison is playing chase instead of trading off to Hartman.

Addison should have been between the puck and the net, not chilling in the first row of section 103.

Addison tried to rub his guy out, missed, and ends up just reaching with his stick.

None of the goals are 100% on Addison, but his play contributed to all of them. This is opposite of quality d-zone play.

Haven’t you heard? Addison has skill and speed, so nothing is his fault. Can’t complain about his terrible defensive play because of all that skill and speed he displays. It’s truly outstanding, all that skill and speed.

Why even bother arguing at this point. They can look at the first Florida video in that prior post and fire back with “is he even the 4th most responsible for any of these?”

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Haven’t you heard? Addison has skill and speed, so nothing is his fault. Can’t complain about his terrible defensive play because of all that skill and speed he displays. It’s truly outstanding, all that skill and speed.

Why even bother arguing at this point. They can look at the first Florida video in that prior post and fire back with “is he even the 4th most responsible for any of these?”

You mean the first Florida video where he's supporting Steel by giving him a place to go with the puck, Steel completely f***s up and botches it off the wall, handing it right to Florida player?

If Steel handles the puck like a competent NHL player, there's no issue here. Unless you want to lay not anticipating another player's complete f*** up against him, which I don't really think is a best practice, for any player.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

You mean the first Florida video where he's supporting Steel by giving him a place to go with the puck, Steel completely f***s up and botches it off the wall, handing it right to Florida player?

If Steel handles the puck like a competent NHL player, there's no issue here. Unless you want to lay not anticipating another player's complete f*** up against him, which I don't really think is a best practice, for any player.

You mean the play where the puck bounces on Steel and the Florida player has a free lane to the net thanks to Addison’s positioning? You’re right, Addison did just a bang up job.

Or maybe, Addison blocks the lane and waits for Steel to pass it back behind the net where he can go get it. And, if Addison can’t go fast enough to get it behind the net, you know who else is going behind the net expecting a pass? Jon Merrill.

So, yes, Addison’s position and the Florida player’s free lane to the net are 100% on Addison.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

You mean the play where the puck bounces on Steel and the Florida player has a free lane to the net thanks to Addison’s positioning? You’re right, Addison did just a bang up job.

Or maybe, Addison blocks the lane and waits for Steel to pass it back behind the net where he can go get it. And, if Addison can’t go fast enough to get it behind the net, you know who else is going behind the net expecting a pass? Jon Merrill.

So, yes, Addison’s position and the Florida player’s free lane to the net are 100% on Addison.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with Addison's positioning, until Steel f***ed up. There's no need to guard the net when the threat level is miniscule, which it was, until Steel f***ed up. Addison preventing a goal there would've been him saving Steel's ass.

Every single goal that is scored against us, one or both of the defenseman, and probably 1 or 2 of the forwards are going to look like Addison did on those goals. That's how goals are scored in the NHL. Otherwise every single goal would be a bad goal on the goalie.

It's a big stretch to call any of those "pressbox worthy".

 

[DigitalBoldy]

There was absolutely nothing wrong with Addison's positioning, until Steel f***ed up. There's no need to guard the net when the threat level is miniscule, which it was, until Steel f***ed up. Addison preventing a goal there would've been him saving Steel's ass.

Every single goal that is scored against us, one or both of the defenseman, and probably 1 or 2 of the forwards are going to look like Addison did on those goals. That's how goals are scored in the NHL. Otherwise every single goal would be a bad goal on the goalie.

It's a big stretch to call any of those "pressbox worthy".

You’re right, the golden boy is doing great

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

You’re right, the golden boy is doing great

Again, and this is how this whole thing started, your words, not any of ours.

 

[AKL]

I'm not sure I've seen anyone claim he's the golden boy, or he's perfect, or he doesn't have things to work on, or even that he's doing great overall. What a weird strawman.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Again, and this is how this whole thing started, your words, not any of ours.

Yet, it’s you and the others it seems to have struck a cord with. Funny how that works.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Yet, it’s you and the others it seems to have struck a cord with. Funny how that works.

Definitely seems to have struck a chord with somebody here:

Haven’t you heard? Addison has skill and speed, so nothing is his fault. Can’t complain about his terrible defensive play because of all that skill and speed he displays. It’s truly outstanding, all that skill and speed.

Why even bother arguing at this point. They can look at the first Florida video in that prior post and fire back with “is he even the 4th most responsible for any of these?”

You’re right, the golden boy is doing great

But, hey, if you want to keep arguing against things that nobody is saying, be my guest. Seems wasteful, but whatever.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Definitely seems to have struck a chord with somebody here:




But, hey, if you want to keep arguing against things that nobody is saying, be my guest. Seems wasteful, but whatever.

You’re the one that bothered to respond. I didn’t direct it at you or anyone else. I didn’t say you or anyone said it. It was maybe a hyperbolic statement, but the way you and others have tag teamed responses makes me think maybe it has more truth to it than I thought.

It’s funny though, if I had to predict who would have taken issue with what I said… let’s just say, I nailed it.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

You’re the one that bothered to respond. I didn’t direct it at you or anyone else. I didn’t say you or anyone said it. It was maybe a hyperbolic statement, but the way you and others have tag teamed responses makes me think maybe it has more truth to it than I thought.

It’s funny though, if I had to predict who would have taken issue with what I said… let’s just say, I nailed it.

And if I had to predict who would have taken issue with being engaged in debate on a hockey forum... let's just say you wouldn't have been by #1 overall pick, but alas, here we are.

 

[DANOZ28]

addison is a rookie, give me a break some of you are ripping him to shreads. JEE was lousy his first couple years! he's doing well or deaner wouldn't play him. lighten up francis.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

addison is a rookie, give me a break some of you are ripping him to shreads. JEE was lousy his first couple years! he's doing well or deaner wouldn't play him. lighten up francis.

Is it not fair, when Dean is benching Dumba for defensive mistakes, to take a look at our worst dman in the d zone? Why is he immune from criticism?

 

[StateofCelly]

Is it not fair, when Dean is benching Dumba for defensive mistakes, to take a look at our worst dman in the d zone? Why is he immune from criticism?

It’s fair criticism but one is making rookie mistakes as a rookie that’s developing, and one was making lazy lack of effort mistakes while wearing the A in contract year.

I’m as big of an Addison rube as anyone but he does deserve criticism you’re right, there are plenty of people on this board that simply just want to give up.. guys clamor for prospects and youth but then hate going through what comes with having it on the roster. Big thing is guys like Dumba and Merrill have made critical mistakes all year long, not saying rookies get a pass.. but as veterans and leaders, expectations are different.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

It’s fair criticism but one is making rookie mistakes as a rookie that’s developing, and one was making lazy lack of effort mistakes while wearing the A in contract year.

I’m as big of an Addison rube as anyone but he does deserve criticism you’re right, there are plenty of people on this board that simply just want to give up.. guys clamor for prospects and youth but then hate going through what comes with having it on the roster. Big thing is guys like Dumba and Merrill have made critical mistakes all year long, not saying rookies get a pass.. but as veterans and leaders, expectations are different.

I’m not sure that’s what the team is doing (youth movement). If it was, Rossi, Walker, Hunt, and O’Rourke would be up with the NHL team and guys like Middleton (ROR), Merrill (Hunt), Gaudreau (Rossi), and Greenway (Walker) would be traded.

Management is expecting to win. Expectations should be the same for everyone, rookie or not. Maybe if we were rebuilding I would agree to your above point. Go back to when Dumba was that young. He got benched and sat all the time and he was better than Addison at the same age.

 

[StateofCelly]

I’m not sure that’s what the team is doing (youth movement). If it was, Rossi, Walker, Hunt, and O’Rourke would be up with the NHL team and guys like Middleton (ROR), Merrill (Hunt), Gaudreau (Rossi), and Greenway (Walker) would be traded.

Management is expecting to win. Expectations should be the same for everyone, rookie or not. Maybe if we were rebuilding I would agree to your above point. Go back to when Dumba was that young. He got benched and sat all the time and he was better than Addison at the same age.

I don’t know that they really know right now either. I think some other points in this thread they over value what they have for forward depth and feel with the system it’s plug and play. They are probably more willing to take their lumps with Addison because they know Dumba is gone. You can slot guys in that top 9 and meet their current expectations (not saying that’s good either) but the back end gets far less trusting and suspect.

I think if trends continue like this the 6th spot is going to be a revolving door a bit, but they also have shown they have less faith in let’s call it the “bottom 5” if you include Dumba, Addison, Merrill, Goli, Sustr than they do the entire 12 forwards on the current roster.

 

[BagHead]

I think the second benching in a row makes it clear that Dumba isn't sitting because of his play, or at least not exclusively because of it. One benching is enough to get that point across. Two benchings likely means they're trying to see what the defense looks like without him. Fair or not doesn't matter, they need to know what they have.

 

[MuckOG]

You mean the play where the puck bounces on Steel and the Florida player has a free lane to the net thanks to Addison’s positioning? You’re right, Addison did just a bang up job.

Or maybe, Addison blocks the lane and waits for Steel to pass it back behind the net where he can go get it. And, if Addison can’t go fast enough to get it behind the net, you know who else is going behind the net expecting a pass? Jon Merrill.

So, yes, Addison’s position and the Florida player’s free lane to the net are 100% on Addison.

He's not perfect, but remember that he is still a rookie. He may not turn into a stout, shut-down defender, but that's not really his game anyway.

 

[DANOZ28]

last year GA 253, this year so far GA 130 in 45 gms. about the same. lets blame the vets and goalie for not getting the job done if mgmt thought a rookie wasn't ready they'd send him back down. this team is going nowhere until GA drops significantly

 

[MNNumbers]

last year GA 253, this year so far GA 130 in 45 gms. about the same. lets blame the vets and goalie for not getting the job done if mgmt thought a rookie wasn't ready they'd send him back down. this team is going nowhere until GA drops significantly

Just doing the math....
Last year...3.09 GA/gm
This year...2.89 GA/gm

That's not really about the same. But there is probably a difference in the goaltending that makes up some of it.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Just doing the math....
Last year...3.09 GA/gm
This year...2.89 GA/gm

That's not really about the same. But there is probably a difference in the goaltending that makes up some of it.

Roughly 11th best in the league so far this year.

Roughly 19th best in scoring goals.

 

[57special]

I’m not sure that’s what the team is doing (youth movement). If it was, Rossi, Walker, Hunt, and O’Rourke would be up with the NHL team and guys like Middleton (ROR), Merrill (Hunt), Gaudreau (Rossi), and Greenway (Walker) would be traded.

Management is expecting to win. Expectations should be the same for everyone, rookie or not. Maybe if we were rebuilding I would agree to your above point. Go back to when Dumba was that young. He got benched and sat all the time and he was better than Addison at the same age.

There’s a time to bring up young guys…when they are ready. You pick the fruit when it’s ripe. If you do it too early, you ruin the whole thing. Rossi, and especially Hunt and ROR, are settling in and starting to play well in the AHL, but none of them are dominating. Physically, they are doing ok, and surviving much better than they did in previous years. I can see Rossi getting a call up if a C goes down, or a C is traded. Same with the two Dman, but Mermis, or maybe Sustr, might be a better fit for this year.
Walker is a different story, to me. He is older than the others, has been the best player down in Iowa, and is versatile positionally. He is not strong , either, but has learned to play in spite of it, and does play in front of the net. Is decent defensively, and smart. I can see him as an offensive forward option right now, though even there it’s not like he lit up the scoresheet when he was up. To me, it’s more of an eye test thing. He had on goal called back, I think, and made some nice set ups, hit some iron, etc.. unlike Rossi, he can skate himself out of trouble.