Minnesota Wild General Discussion - 2022-23

[Bazeek]

@Sebastien You can end someone else's quote with a

I haven't experienced any of the issues that others have. Normally when I hit reply it sticks my cursor in the right spot without me doing anything.
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I'm not sure either, but I rarely access the site through a phone.

Edit: On that note, your helpful tip broke my post. So that's cool.

 

[f7ben]

I think the recent play , even in the games they lucked out wins in …..should have Guerin selling. The team is hot garbage and belongs with a top 10 pick. We should be out of a playoff spot in 7-10 days.

 

[Minnewildsota]

I think the recent play , even in the games they lucked out wins in …..should have Guerin selling. The team is hot garbage and belongs with a top 10 pick. We should be out of a playoff spot in 7-10 days.

I’ll bet you $100 we won’t be out of a playoff spot.

 

[f7ben]

I’ll bet you $100 we won’t be out of a playoff spot.

$100 says we are outside looking in by Feb 17th

 

[GordieGallant]

If we purge Greenway, Dumba, and maybe Addison we will be much better.

 

[Minnewildsota]

$100 says we are outside looking in by Feb 17th

That’s not the 10 days you stated

 

[AKL]

If we purge Greenway, Dumba, and maybe Addison we will be much better.

Addison is a 22 year old rookie, why don't we wait to see if he improves before we purge him

 

[GordieGallant]

Addison is a 22 year old rookie, why don't we wait to see if he improves before we purge him

Ok. Right now he is not that good without the puck. I will give him time

 

[f7ben]

That’s not the 10 days you stated

I just glanced at the schedule and tossed out a date. The Phi and Ariz games should keep them in it for maybe two weeks. We will be outside by the 17th. That’s the day I’m comfortable betting on.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Second straight game without Dumba. Second straight game giving up 5 goals against.

 

[Sebastien]

I think the recent play , even in the games they lucked out wins in …..should have Guerin selling. The team is hot garbage and belongs with a top 10 pick. We should be out of a playoff spot in 7-10 days.

Second straight game without Dumba. Second straight game giving up 5 goals against.

Russo saying there's trouble in the lockerroom, and that player's aren't happy with dumba's scratching/ benching

 

[Wabit]

Second straight game without Dumba. Second straight game giving up 5 goals against.

One 5ga for each of the goalies that were both "hot" the previous few games.

Russo saying there's trouble in the lockerroom, and that player's aren't happy with dumba's scratching/ benching

I wonder if this Dumba call came from the coach or the GM? My suspicion is the GM is forcing the players he wants in the lineup.

It could be a big brain move in that benching Dumba is actually raising his trade value because the team is junk without him due to the intangibles Dumba brings.

 

[AKL]

If y'all think these two losses are because Dumba wasn't in the lineup, go start the Dumba for Hart thread on the main boards.

Dumba would make very little difference. This team is flat right now with or without him. You just got your hopes up again because they beat up on a lot of shitty teams in December. We all knew they weren't gonna keep winning like that forever once they started playing real teams.

 

[Digitalbooya]

If y'all think these two losses are because Dumba wasn't in the lineup, go start the Dumba for Hart thread on the main boards.

Dumba would make very little difference. This team is flat right now with or without him. You just got your hopes up again because they beat up on a lot of shitty teams in December. We all knew they weren't gonna keep winning like that forever once they started playing real teams.

Yeah, who needs a guy that’s 20th in the league in GA/60 when we are giving up 5 per game. Certainly not us…

 

[Prior]

Healthy Scratching someone you have wearing a letter and damn well know is the heartbeat of the team when there’s only two defenders on this team that deserve to be in the lineup over him is just plain abhorrent management.

Continuing to tie your best center to players like Duhaime and Foligno is nothing less than an embarrassment at this point of the year.

 

[AKL]

Healthy Scratching someone you have wearing a letter and damn well know is the heartbeat of the team when there’s only two defenders on this team that deserve to be in the lineup over him is just plain abhorrent management.

Maybe, but it's not the reason we're losing

Continuing to tie your best center to players like Duhaime and Foligno is nothing less than an embarrassment at this point of the year.

I've never claimed Guerin and Evason are good at their jobs.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Maybe, but it's not the reason we're losing

What's the reason we are losing?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

What's the reason we are losing?

Playing teams with more talent than us, with our goalies not posting .950+ games.

 

[57special]

If Dumba is the heartbeat of the team then we are in big trouble, both now, and in the future, when he most certainly will not be here.

He is a better option than what we are trotting out there right now, but let’s not pretend that he is anything more than he is, a middle pairing Dman who makes critical mistakes, and is overpaid based on numbers that he posted 5-6 years ago. I think it was @Jesus comma Brodin , or someone, posted in the off season that our defense was going to be pretty sad this year, and he was right. Goligoski is slow, weak, and old, Middletons skating and puck handling is poor, and Merrill is a mediocre #6. To say that Dumba is better than those three is damning him with faint praise.
He was awful in the game prior to his benching, and his poor decision making is extremely frustrating, because he is no longer a young player, but one well into his prime. There is no doubt that his tools are better than anyone not named Brodin or maybe Spurgeon, which makes it all the more frustrating. I found it weird that the management team would give him a letter, when, IMO, they had worthier options.
At this point it’s water under the bridge. Whether he plays a lot, or a little this year, the team is neither a Cup, nor a Bedard, contender. I don’t really care… but I find that I am saying that more than ever this year about the team in general. As far as Dumba is concerned, he ain’t coming back, barring some seismic move by Guerin.

 

[f7ben]

If Dumba is the heartbeat of the team then we are in big trouble, both now, and in the future, when he most certainly will not be here.

He is a better option than what we are trotting out there right now, but let’s not pretend that he is anything more than he is, a middle pairing Dman who makes critical mistakes, and is overpaid based on numbers that he posted 5-6 years ago. I think it was @Jesus comma Brodin , or someone, posted in the off season that our defense was going to be pretty sad this year, and he was right. Goligoski is slow, weak, and old, Middletons skating and puck handling is poor, and Merrill is a mediocre #6. To say that Dumba is better than those three is damning him with faint praise.
He was awful in the game prior to his benching, and his poor decision making is extremely frustrating, because he is no longer a young player, but one well into his prime. There is no doubt that his tools are better than anyone not named Brodin or maybe Spurgeon, which makes it all the more frustrating. I found it weird that the management team would give him a letter, when, IMO, they had worthier options.
At this point it’s water under the bridge. Whether he plays a lot, or a little this year, the team is neither a Cup, nor a Bedard, contender. I don’t really care… but I find that I am saying that more than ever this year about the team in general. As far as Dumba is concerned, he ain’t coming back, barring some seismic move by Guerin.

Well Guerin chose him over Fiala , so what’s that say about Guerin?

 

[57special]

Well Guerin chose him over Fiala , so what’s that say about Guerin?

That’s going over old ground. Just do a search on my opinions on the subject, for whatever they are worth. Now it’s about Dumba, though really, that decision is all but made, also. Whether he plays out the year here, or not, he is not coming back.

Moving on, Guerin is relying on at least one Rookie Dman making the team next year, and possibly 2-3 being one the team at the end of the year. Not much else to be done, there.

I am more concerned with the fall off in play from Hartman, Greenway, and Foligno. It’s probably more of a case of last year being the anomaly, and this year being a return to normalcy, but they are at best insignificant, and at worst actively hurting the team. They are not young players anymore….it’s not acceptable. I don’t care what size, and how tough they are. They are bad, and they are players that Dean and Guerin have hitched their wagon to.

 

[f7ben]

That’s going over old ground. Just do a search on my opinions on the subject, for whatever they are worth. Now it’s about Dumba, though really, that decision is all but made, also. Whether he plays out the year here, or not, he is not coming back.

Moving on, Guerin is relying on at least one Rookie Dman making the team next year, and possibly 2-3 being one the team at the end of the year. Not much else to be done, there.

I am more concerned with the fall off in play from Hartman, Greenway, and Foligno. It’s probably more of a case of last year being the anomaly, and this year being a return to normalcy, but they are at best insignificant, and at worst actively hurting the team. They are not young players anymore….it’s not acceptable. I don’t care what size, and how tough they are. They are bad, and they are players that Dean and Guerin have hitched their wagon to.

Yup , it’s regression to the mean. It was all but guaranteed. Guerin and Evason significantly overvalue low skill players. It’s not a winning strategy. There was only one way this team didn’t fall off a cliff compared to last year and that was if Rossi stepped in and knocked it out of the park. Of course the two mind numbing morons running the team saw fit to start Rossi on the 4th line and then scratch him. That’s not excusing Rossi’s lack of stepping up but it certainly was poor player management.

I’m really close to the point where for the first time in 22 years I don’t even care when they are playing or prioritize trying to watch. The on ice product is mediocre at best but it’s been that before. The fact that Billy and Evason are committed to this idiotic identity they’ve prioritized removes all the hope of substantive change. Watching Guerins moves last year was like watching a slow motion car wreck and I doubt I’ll feel the same about the team until he’s gone. Evason crying about Fialas minor warts while raving about guys like Freddy was almost too much to take. Guerin handing out contract after contract to low skill easily replaceable plugs was so stupid , so inept it’s inexcusable. All because he couldn’t set his ego aside and prioritize real talent.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Playing teams with more talent than us, with our goalies not posting .950+ games.

Not putting forth our best lineup is supposed to help with that?

Are people forgetting the whole reason Dumba *should* be available is because management thinks Brock Faber is NHL ready? Feels like a clown fiasco to swap Goligoski for Dumba without it being a trade related reason.

And again, Dumba is 20th in GA/60 amongst all defenders. He and Brodin each find themselves in the top 20 and make an excellent shutdown pair. Why we are not playing them together when we face these "teams with more talent than us" is mind boggling.

 

[AKL]

In the Carolina game, Brodin-Goligoski were both +1 while the rest of the defense were minus players. In the Florida game, Brodin was -1 and Goligoski was even, while Spurgeon, Addison and Merrill were minus players. We know Dumba isn't the one driving that Brodin-Dumba pair defensively, so I really doubt Dumba would have made any difference whatsoever in the outcomes (especially considering his replacement was the only positive player over the course of those two games). The Spurgeon and Addison pairings are the ones that got beat those two games.

If Dumba is really the glue that holds this defense together, we have bigger problems, and it starts with why even his staunchest defenders in the last couple pages of this thread don't want him back next year. You guys are just looking for an excuse for why we lost these last couple games other than "we're just not a great team", because that reason is a lot harder to accept.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

Goligoski was very solid last night, a better performance than Dumba has put out there in the last month. Merrill has been very underwhelming to me, Dumba is usually significantly better than him, I don't know why he has gotten a pass for so long this season.

Hartman is the major issue to me if this team wants any chance of going on a run, even when he wasn't scoring the past 3 seasons, he was playing good effective defense and being a positive player, this season he has been completely ineffective and a liability most nights. Obviously the injuries have played key roles in all 3 of Hartman, Foligno, and Greenway's weak seasons, but they do not look nearly as effective as they need to be if we want to have an actual advantage in the middle of our lineup. People talk about Boldy island, but JEE has been just as stuck, a real shame because he is having himself quite the season, night and night out he comes to play and outwork the opposition's best.

Not a whole lot that you can really do GM wise but wait and hope that these guys all find their games again in the second half, these are the guys that need to exceed their contract values if the team is to be successful, if you trade them, there is a far higher liklihood that the player you get to fill their spot is not going to be nearly as cost effective.