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MuckOG said:
You saying that Kaprizov is not an "electric goal scorer"?

Also, would you prefer Caufield to Boldy?
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I love Kaprizov, but his speed isn't going to break open a game. His edge work, stick-handling and ability to score is elite. I also love that he's feisty and can take a pounding. He's different than someone like Gaborik.

I'd prefer either Caufield or Boldy. We have Boldy, so why didn't we go for a Caufield type in this year's draft? If we pick Boldy, I'd want a different type of player coming in.
 
thestonedkoala said:
I love Kaprizov, but his speed isn't going to break open a game. His edge work, stick-handling and ability to score is elite. I also love that he's feisty and can take a pounding. He's different than someone like Gaborik.

I'd prefer either Caufield or Boldy. We have Boldy, so why didn't we go for a Caufield type in this year's draft? If we pick Boldy, I'd want a different type of player coming in.
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would you rather have 2 rantanens or 2 caufields?
 
DeagleJenkins said:
would you rather have 2 rantanens or 2 caufields?
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I would prefer that we don't try to make Caulfield's Rantanen's if they have to play like Caulfield's to succeed and playing like a Rantanen would make them a worse version of themselves while not allowing them to do the things they do well.

I don't mind drafting either archetype, but I would rather we put players in positions to do the things they do best well. What do you think the difference in Caulfield's game was pre and post-coaching change?
 
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thestonedkoala said:
I'd rather have 1 Rantanen and 1 DeBrincat.

Or 2 DeBrincats
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I dont see debrincat in caufield but if that is how you view him then that is acceptable.

Nino Noderreiter said:
I would prefer that we don't try to make Caulfield's Rantanen's if they have to play like Caulfield's to succeed and playing like a Rantanen would make them a worse version of themselves while not allowing them to do the things they do well.

I don't mind drafting either archetype, but I would rather we put players in positions to do the things they do best well. What do you think the difference in Caulfield's game was pre and post-coaching change?
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indeed develop them what they were drafted as i agree with that. I didnt watch any of MTL so pre and post st.louis with limited social media viewing it looks like a coach views his ability to shoot and worked on him finding ways to utilize that shot similar to how he did in his time as a pro? I truthfully have 0-1% of an idea what either coach caufield was under was teaching or utiliziing him as in MTL. I just saw a few clips of St. Louis showing him a few things. 3v3 OT and PP will benefit caufield in my eyes as he is a player needing time and space to create scoring otherwise he will ride passenger at 5v5. Boldy will excel at all 3 and i dont think the scoring upside is much higher for caufield than it is boldy as they both have quality shots and releases. one is just smaller and shoots righty which we lack right hand shots.
 
Beckman was 20/21 years old last season. He led Iowa in shots, was 6th in points, 5th in PPG.

That said, he only scored at half a point per game, far from infallible at the AHL level. Playing in the bottom six once in a while isn't going to derail his career. He's still getting plenty of opportunity as he earns it.

There is something to be said for a guy developing more aspects of his game than the ones he's good at at the time of the draft. Sure, work to develop his scoring as well, but asking him to learn to play a better two-way game isn't hurting him at all. In fact it's helping him. No matter what team you go to or who you play for, you're going to be expected to play both sides of the ice to a certain degree. That's the nature of the sport. The only guys who can get away with only playing offense are the guys who are head and shoulders above most guys offensively, and trust me, that is not Beckman.

He's got an exciting future, I think he can be a good player in the NHL, but he is far from a finished product, and only focusing on developing his offense is going to result in a player like Jeremy Bracco or Gerry Mayhew who never ends up making the NHL, despite great production in the AHL.

I think people need to realize that the Adam Beckman we saw when the season started was not the same Adam Beckman that made a big impression in training camp. This player is not NHL ready. Some of you guys couldn't even handle a Fiala turnover in games he was playing well in. And then you want to develop Beckman into a player that's worse offensively AND defensively than Fiala, because you get nervous that he has a couple games with Cody McLeod (who by all accounts was an excellent leader in that locker room).

I get that we don't want to see our offensive prospects neutered into dump and chase grinders, but that is far from what's happening with Beckman.

And just to reiterate what I think someone already touched on: Boldy played in the bottom six for his first game, and was immediately brought up to the top six afterwards because he earned it, and he continued to earn it every night with his play. Tim Army did that. Marco Rossi spent most of the season in the top six because he had earned that spot. Tim Army did that. It doesn't matter how young anyone is, if they earn the spot, Tim Army will give it to them.
 
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thestonedkoala said:
I love Kaprizov, but his speed isn't going to break open a game. His edge work, stick-handling and ability to score is elite. I also love that he's feisty and can take a pounding. He's different than someone like Gaborik.

I'd prefer either Caufield or Boldy. We have Boldy, so why didn't we go for a Caufield type in this year's draft? If we pick Boldy, I'd want a different type of player coming in.
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You don't need speed to be an electric goal scorer.

An electric goal scorer, is someone who brings the fans out of their seats when he has the puck on his stick., Kaprizov does that on a regular basis.
 
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TaLoN said:
You don't need speed to be an electric goal scorer.

An electric goal scorer, is someone who brings the fans out of their seats when he has the puck on his stick., Kaprizov does that on a regular basis.
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I mean you don't need speed, but it does help. Yurov could be that guy, but we'll see.
 
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And Zuccarello has plenty of speed, just watch his backchecking.
No problems keeping up with Kaprizov.
 
thestonedkoala said:
Why not San Jose?

He had 146 points (65 goals) in 164 games.
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Because he was scoring 40+ with the Thrashers in the dead puck era... not at all an easy task, and he hit 50 twice in Ottawa... anytime the puck came near him, you almost expected him to score. His puck skills in traffic were great in those days, and could get a shot off like lightning!

His goal scoring in San Jose, while still very good his first season there, was at a lower rate in a more wide-open league - he was clearly taking longer to get a shot off, making him easier to defend, and thus wasn't near as electric of a player to watch. Then his 2nd season there, his days of being electric were clearly over... and that was the same Dany Heatley we got here initially and he only kept getting worse.

Heatley's goal scoring when at his best was much the same as Brett Hull (another very slow electric goal scorer)... the puck would go his way and you'd hold your breath (an opposing fan saying... "oh shit!", their home fans getting to their feet in anticipation)... not because of the speed, but because you just knew, with how good he was with his stick in getting a shot off accurately, a shot was coming and it was going to be a dagger!
 
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CanadianPantherFan said:
I don’t see lineup thread for your club. Hartman where does he slot in ? PP time ? Thanks.
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As of now we assume he slots back in between Kaprizov and Zuccarello, no reason to believe otherwise yet.

Powerplay is a little trickier. He could be the fourth forward on the first unit or he could be on the second unit. It's kind of a toss-up, as the team (coaching staff) has allegedly worked on the PP this off-season, and we may or may not see refreshed units. None of us are really sure what to expect there this season.
 
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AKL said:
As of now we assume he slots back in between Kaprizov and Zuccarello, no reason to believe otherwise yet.

Powerplay is a little trickier. He could be the fourth forward on the first unit or he could be on the second unit. It's kind of a toss-up, as the team (coaching staff) has allegedly worked on the PP this off-season, and we may or may not see refreshed units. None of us are really sure what to expect there this season.
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What we can expect... however the PP shakes out by the end of November... either good or bad, is likely how it will be come April.
 
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New Athletic Article

Whole article is pretty good, with lots of insights. Here’s some interesting notes from Russo’s interview with Evason:

Will you go with Jake Middleton-Jared Spurgeon again or could we see you mix up Jonas Brodin and Matt Dumba?
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We are going to try Middleton with Dums and try Brodes with Spurge. We know Dums and Brodes work well. Same with Spurgeon and Middleton. But we are going to have a look at that. We think that it might give us the opportunity to play Spurge and Brodes against the high, high, high-end guys, speed-wise, and then those other two against a little bit more, the grittier, heavier groups. So it’s something that we’re going to give a real good look at.

Similarly, with Sustr on the PK, Addison quarterbacked the Iowa power play and your power play stunk. Does that give him a leg up in camp?
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Hundred percent. That’s his job. He’s done it. Much like the world juniors, I have that memory in my head of him running the PP at the top. So, yeah, we obviously have guys here that are capable of doing that. But again, same as we talked about Rossi, people get drafted for a reason and positionally for what they do. Addy is a power-play player and he needs to make that step and hopefully he can be a power-play player for us.

Jordan Greenway won’t be ready for the start of the season. Will you try to insert Tyson Jost on the left side or would you maybe consider moving Marcus Folignoto the left side of Joel Eriksson Ek and try Freddy Gaudreau on the right?
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I’ll be very honest: Jost, we really liked in that position when we put him there last year in a few different situations. So, yeah, that’s where we’ll start. So we’ve got Hartzy’s line (Kaprizov-Ryan Hartman-Mats Zuccarello) and Ek’s line. Now we’ve got to find another line, right? And we’ve got lots of players in competition for that. You got (Marco) Rossi and (Matt) Boldy and Gaudreau and (Sam) Steel and (Connor) Dewar and (Brandon) Duhaime. We also signed (Nic) Petan. So that’s seven for maybe six spots on arguably your third and fourth line if we consider Hartman one and Ek two. That’s where the exciting part about camp comes into play for me. We’ll give it some work.

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Also discussed making personnel changes to the Powerplay & systematic changes to the PK. Specifically being more aggressive in the neutral zone and improving clears.
 
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