Minnesota Wild General Discussion - 2022-23

[AKL]

I wonder if they trade him at the TDL and then sign Faber to fill in his spot after the college season ends.

That would be pretty bold. They didn't even let Boldy play after his college season was over. And Boldy was a wing. Asking Faber to step into the top four of a defense right away is a tall order.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

That would be pretty bold. They didn't even let Boldy play after his college season was over. And Boldy was a wing. Asking Faber to step into the top four of a defense right away is a tall order.

But right meow we need the elcs plus bg is high on him and has said he can play in the nhl today so he might.

 

[AKL]

But right meow we need the elcs plus bg is high on him and has said he can play in the nhl today so he might.

If he could actually play in the NHL today, he wouldn't be going back to college. It's just GM speak trying to drum up hype around the center piece in the return he traded noted star player and fan favorite Kevin Fiala for.

Not trying to be an asshole here to you either, I know you're just telling me what Guerin said, I just don't believe Guerin and I think he's just trying to save a little face because on the surface it's a pretty mediocre return for a guy who just had the 2nd best season by a Wild forward in the organizations history.

 

[BagHead]

I wonder if they trade him at the TDL and then sign Faber to fill in his spot after the college season ends.

They'd have to roster Faber onto the Wild before the TDL if you want him eligible for the playoffs. That's not impossible, but it can only happen if the Gophers miss the Frozen Four. And you wouldn't want that, you love the Gophers!

But also, it's a plan that would require knowledge of the future, so I have to think it'd be a play-it-by-ear situation, if they're even considering it.

 

[Wabit]

They'd have to roster Faber onto the Wild before the TDL if you want him eligible for the playoffs. That's not impossible, but it can only happen if the Gophers miss the Frozen Four. And you wouldn't want that, you love the Gophers!

But also, it's a plan that would require knowledge of the future, so I have to think it'd be a play-it-by-ear situation, if they're even considering it.

IIRC college (and KHL) players signing their first contract are exempt from that rule.

It's why McAvoy (signed to his ELC 2 days after BOS last regular season game) made his NHL debut for BOS in the 16-17 Playoffs .

 

[BagHead]

IIRC college (and KHL) players signing their first contract are exempt from that rule.

It's why McAvoy (signed to his ELC 2 days after BOS last regular season game) made his NHL debut for BOS in the 16-17 Playoffs .

Interesting. It applied to Ben Meyers last year, but I do recall college players playing their first games in the NHL playoffs, like Makar and Kreider.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

If he could actually play in the NHL today, he wouldn't be going back to college. It's just GM speak trying to drum up hype around the center piece in the return he traded noted star player and fan favorite Kevin Fiala for.

Not trying to be an asshole here to you either, I know you're just telling me what Guerin said, I just don't believe Guerin and I think he's just trying to save a little face because on the surface it's a pretty mediocre return for a guy who just had the 2nd best season by a Wild forward in the organizations history.

The Kings also thought he was ready and tried to sign him last season for the playoffs, he said he wanted another shot at the NCAA championship.

I think he does sign and they bring him in at season end, but I also think they end up just keeping Dumba as a self rental if they are anywhere near the playoffs.

 

[Ban Hammered]

Interesting. It applied to Ben Meyers last year, but I do recall college players playing their first games in the NHL playoffs, like Makar and Kreider.

It applied because Meyers was a free agent.

 

[57special]

IIRC college (and KHL) players signing their first contract are exempt from that rule.

It's why McAvoy (signed to his ELC 2 days after BOS last regular season game) made his NHL debut for BOS in the 16-17 Playoffs .

Remember that it was such a big deal that the NHL ruled that Kaprizov couldn't play in the 2020(Covid) playoffs because there had been previous cases when KHL'ers did play? We were all furious.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

If he could actually play in the NHL today, he wouldn't be going back to college. It's just GM speak trying to drum up hype around the center piece in the return he traded noted star player and fan favorite Kevin Fiala for.

Not trying to be an asshole here to you either, I know you're just telling me what Guerin said, I just don't believe Guerin and I think he's just trying to save a little face because on the surface it's a pretty mediocre return for a guy who just had the 2nd best season by a Wild forward in the organizations history.

None taken I take most of what I read with a grain of salt. Just thinking it’s possible they slide him into the lineup right away

 

[thestonedkoala]

None taken I take most of what I read with a grain of salt. Just thinking it’s possible they slide him into the lineup right away

That's my thought as well. They traded for Faber thinking he could make an impact right away. If he didn't commit to his junior year already I think we would see him with the Wild at the start of the season.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

That's my thought as well. They traded for Faber thinking he could make an impact right away. If he didn't commit to his junior year already I think we would see him with the Wild at the start of the season.

With our cap issues it feels like they almost have to play him right away and trade dumba. That or trade greenway and Foligno which I’m not against.

 

[57special]

With our cap issues it feels like they almost have to play him right away and trade dumba. That or trade greenway and Foligno which I’m not against.

I don't see that, though i can see him being ready to play in the NHL this spring. Main thing is not to rush him...the jump between NCAA and the NHL is huge, especially for a Dman. Addison can take Dumba's place beside Brodin, and we can fudge something together for the 3rd pairing. We've gone w/o a RHD there before. Not saying it's ideal, but until BG moves one of Merrill or Kulikov we've got enough bodies on D.

I do hope that Faber would make the team out of camp in 23-24, though. One of ROR/Hunt, too?

I am curious to see how SJo fares down in the AHL. He is two years older than Faber, and RH...would be the longest of long shots to play some NHL minutes.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

I don't see that, though i can see him being ready to play in the NHL this spring. Main thing is not to rush him...the jump between NCAA and the NHL is huge, especially for a Dman. Addison can take Dumba's place beside Brodin, and we can fudge something together for the 3rd pairing. We've gone w/o a RHD there before. Not saying it's ideal, but until BG moves one of Merrill or Kulikov we've got enough bodies on D.

I do hope that Faber would make the team out of camp in 23-24, though. One of ROR/Hunt, too?

I am curious to see how SJo fares down in the AHL. He is two years older than Faber, and RH...would be the longest of long shots to play some NHL minutes.

i do think the more logical move is addison there and faber top pairing in iowa until he is ready i just wont put it past them to trust him at the nhl level earlier than addison simply for his defensive ability. SJo intrigues me also. has decent size and was not completely unnoticeable.

 

[AKL]

With our cap issues it feels like they almost have to play him right away and trade dumba. That or trade greenway and Foligno which I’m not against.

We don't really have any cap issues forcing our hand this year. Next year we might, but then we're also not necessarily asking Faber to step into the NHL right away. He can finish this year in the AHL and then they can make a decision on a few of the young D next season.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

We don't really have any cap issues forcing our hand this year. Next year we might, but then we're also not necessarily asking Faber to step into the NHL right away. He can finish this year in the AHL and then they can make a decision on a few of the young D next season.

True as of this moment our cap issue isnt a need. def looking at the glass half empty with 1 spot open. could easily be a none issue as has been said and hopefully they look into trading dumba for picks and promoting addison come TDL if we are anywhere near wildcard or missing. I dont think if we are a wild card that trading dumba will be our back breaker, hopefully they see it the same.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Interesting. It applied to Ben Meyers last year, but I do recall college players playing their first games in the NHL playoffs, like Makar and Kreider.

It's all about the reserve list.

If you are on a team's reserve list at the trade deadline, you can play in the playoffs. Drafted players, regardless of what league they are from are on your reserve list.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If he could actually play in the NHL today, he wouldn't be going back to college. It's just GM speak trying to drum up hype around the center piece in the return he traded noted star player and fan favorite Kevin Fiala for.

Not trying to be an asshole here to you either, I know you're just telling me what Guerin said, I just don't believe Guerin and I think he's just trying to save a little face because on the surface it's a pretty mediocre return for a guy who just had the 2nd best season by a Wild forward in the organizations history.

Didn't he make that decision when he was still LA's prospect, and the thought was that he was going to use the college loophole to go FA?

 

[AKL]

Didn't he make that decision when he was still LA's prospect, and the thought was that he was going to use the college loophole to go FA?

Probably, but he's been with the Wild for two months now. He's either not good enough to get a spot yet, or he still plans on going the UFA route.

I guess the third option is that he's voluntarily forfeiting hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars for...fun? A long shot at a college championship?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Probably, but he's been with the Wild for two months now. He's either not good enough to get a spot yet, or he still plans on going the UFA route.

Or he told the coach he was coming back and isn't reneging on that, along with our currently having 7 NHL defenseman contracts and not a dire need to pressure him to leave.

That said, he may very well not currently be good enough, but I don't think that his playing another year of college is any concrete evidence of that.

 

[57special]

Didn't he make that decision when he was still LA's prospect, and the thought was that he was going to use the college loophole to go FA?

Probably, but he's been with the Wild for two months now. He's either not good enough to get a spot yet, or he still plans on going the UFA route.

I guess the third option is that he's voluntarily forfeiting hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars for...fun? A long shot at a college championship?

I think he is also pretty pumped to play on a loaded Gopher's team this year. If Guerin was really eager for him to play on the Wild this year he would've let him know. I am guessing that it works out better for him, and the team, if he doesn't play till the spring at the earliest. If the Gophs are as successful as some think they might be(final four), he won't even be able to play this spring, I don't think?

 

[AKL]

I think he is also pretty pumped to play on a loaded Gopher's team this year. If Guerin was really eager for him to play on the Wild this year he would've let him know. I am guessing that it works out better for him, and the team, if he doesn't play till the spring at the earliest. If the Gophs are as successful as some think they might be(final four), he won't even be able to play this spring, I don't think?

I think the only thing that would prevent him from being able to play in the spring is if the Wild's season ends before his does. Makar joined the Avs for the playoffs in 2019, having not played a regular season game for them.

 

[thestonedkoala]

With our cap issues it feels like they almost have to play him right away and trade dumba. That or trade greenway and Foligno which I’m not against.

Or move Zuccarello

 

[ThatGuy22]

Probably, but he's been with the Wild for two months now. He's either not good enough to get a spot yet, or he still plans on going the UFA route.

I guess the third option is that he's voluntarily forfeiting hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars for...fun? A long shot at a college championship?

You and I both know that being "good enough" is not a decision made in a vacuum, outside of contract considerations.

I'm sure he and his advisor can look at our roster and see the 7D on one way deals, Addison primed for first call up, and any GM in that situation is gonna try get Faber big AHL minutes this year just due to roster realities. He's not giving up millions, he's giving up 70k, and will sign with a 90K roster bonus, burn an elc year in the spring.

Also(not directed at you specifically) why are people worried about UFA. Thats 2 years out, not next offseason.

 

[AKL]

You and I both know that being "good enough" is not a decision made in a vacuum, outside of contract considerations.

I'm sure he and his advisor can look at our roster and see the 7D on one way deals, Addison primed for first call up, and any GM in that situation is gonna try get Faber big AHL minutes this year just due to roster realities. He's not giving up millions, he's giving up 70k, and will sign with a 90K roster bonus, burn an elc year in the spring.

Also(not directed at you specifically) why are people worried about UFA. Thats 2 years out, not next offseason.

Getting a contract sooner gets him off his ELC sooner, gets him to real money sooner, means he has more years of earning money in his career. An extra year at the end of his career getting paid is likely millions more, not 70k more. Not even mentioning the time-value of money in general. That's why so many guys want to start their pro contracts as soon as possible, even if it is in the AHL.