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MN had 4 players (Kap, Fiala, Hartman, and JEE) in the top 45 for shots last season. It was such a strange thing to see from a Wild team. Parise, Pommer, and Staal are the only 3 others to have had those top-50 rankings for MN since the lockout. The best was 2 of the 3 in the same season.
 
AKL said:
A good shot is a good asset to have, but you can score goals without a shoot first mentality. Boldy isn't someone I'd describe as shoot first, and he will be a 30 goal scorer at some point. Kaprizov is not a guy I'd consider shoot first, and he could score 50 one year. Rossi is being considered a playmaker in this conversation, but he scored almost 40 goals in the OHL and would have had 20 last year in the AHL had he not been injured.

That's what I'm trying to get at. Good or great players won't have trouble scoring enough goals just by being good players and playing with other good players. We shouldn't be focusing on acquiring guys whose primary asset is taking shots in any situation. That's precisely why a guy like Sokolov busted, and why Beckman is having a harder time adjusting to a pro game coming out of juniors. That's why Zucker was never all that valuable.

Having a good shot and knowing when to use it is great, but it's arguably more important to be able to pass up on taking a shot, knowing when the appropriate time to do that is, and being able to execute a pass to a linemate. Guys kill a lot of plays by taking a bad shot because that's all they're focused on.

In simpler terms, I'd rather have guys like Kaprizov, Boldy, Rossi who can drive play and dictate the pace over guys who just want to shoot everything all the time.
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you point makes sense and i agree with it for the most part, we have seen it plenty where we pass and pass and pass for the right shot or the better angle instead of actually shooting when there is a good shot to be had. happens on the pp plenty. I dont think its a forgone conclusion you need shoot first guys as Boldy is a good example of a playmaker who will score plenty but if you are putting an entire line together of playmakers there will be chances wasted by overpassing which is why IMO you need a shooter with Rossi and Zucc if that line does happen.

im not advocating for us to draft a shoot or nothing player simply because they love to shoot but a player who can actually shoot and score from anywhere at the NHL level.

EDIT: i think the shoot first mentality isnt exactly what i am trying to portray. Sniper is more accurate to what i think a playmaker needs. someone who can score from anywhere not just shoot it wildly.

Digitalbooya said:
Who exactly is the prototypical shoot first person? Ovechkin, Matthews, and Laine?

Ek had more goals than assists the last two seasons. Does that make him shoot first?
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all 3? having more goals than assists does not make you shoot first no. lets not be silly with that now.
 
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Digitalbooya said:
Quinn was never an option for us. He was picked before our pick. I still think that Rossi ends as the better overall player.
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I know, but people were wondering why Buffalo took Quinn over Rossi. That's why. And he had a pretty damn good season in the AHL and showed he is a shoot first type of player.
 
Yurov seems like exactly the kind of balance you guys seem to be suggesting. Looks to drive play to the front of the net, dish quick passes using his speed to draw defenders but has a heavy shot and can “snipe”.

Who knows if he develops or not but a balance of skills is FINALLY a priority with this organization it seems.
 
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Dickie Dunn said:
Yurov seems like exactly the kind of balance you guys seem to be suggesting. Looks to drive play to the front of the net, dish quick passes using his speed to draw defenders but has a heavy shot and can “snipe”.

Who knows if he develops or not but a balance of skills is FINALLY a priority with this organization it seems.
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To an extent there is some glimmers of hope with Ohgren.
 
Dickie Dunn said:
Yurov seems like exactly the kind of balance you guys seem to be suggesting. Looks to drive play to the front of the net, dish quick passes using his speed to draw defenders but has a heavy shot and can “snipe”.

Who knows if he develops or not but a balance of skills is FINALLY a priority with this organization it seems.
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Skill should always have been a priority. Too many picks seemed to be made out of fear of the pick being a failure vs taking a player with real puck skills.

The organization almost always preferred the steady Eddy type player.
 
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Dickie Dunn said:
Yurov seems like exactly the kind of balance you guys seem to be suggesting. Looks to drive play to the front of the net, dish quick passes using his speed to draw defenders but has a heavy shot and can “snipe”.

Who knows if he develops or not but a balance of skills is FINALLY a priority with this organization it seems.
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Ohgren, too. He's an underrated passer.
 
TaLoN said:
Skill should always have been a priority. Too many picks seemed to be made out of fear of the pick being a failure vs taking a player with real puck skills.

The organization almost always preferred the steady Eddy type player.
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What about in the later rounds?
 
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TaLoN said:
Skill should always have been a priority. Too many picks seemed to be made out of fear of the pick being a failure vs taking a player with real puck skills.

The organization almost always preferred the steady Eddy type player.
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you doubt the wisedom of judd? hmmmmmmm
 
aren't you all changing your tune from BPA vs need? meaning your saying the wild picked wrong. (current wild ) if any team just picked skill why did kaprizov slide to the 5th round? your not making any sense.
 
DANOZ28 said:
aren't you all changing your tune from BPA vs need? meaning your saying the wild picked wrong. (current wild ) if any team just picked skill why did kaprizov slide to the 5th round? your not making any sense.
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Nobody is saying the current drafting is wrong, they are applauding the current regime for finally picking the unsafe non steady eddy pick. Yurov is not a safe pick, that makes most people happy.
 
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DANOZ28 said:
aren't you all changing your tune from BPA vs need? meaning your saying the wild picked wrong. (current wild ) if any team just picked skill why did kaprizov slide to the 5th round? your not making any sense.
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Nothing was said about current drafting at all... only lamenting the priorities of past regimes not prioritizing skill vs "safe bets" to be long time NHL'ers. The only thing remotely mentioned about current drafting? That skill is finally a priority as it always should've been...Yurov was the example.

BPA should most always lean towards the more skilled player between two evenly rated players. Not the "steady Eddy" player like Luke Kunin...
 
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BagHead said:
Steel wasn't mentioned either way, which makes me think his assignment didn't come as a surprise to Russo. If he were in the AHL group, I'd expect he would have been mentioned, as he was already expected to make the NHL roster, but I could easily be mistaken about that.
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this is how i took it as well. he has been stapled to Jost and Jost wasnt mentioned either.
 
I think Duhaime is going to have a great year, contract season and it looks like he had a productive off season. He reminds me a bit of early Hartman where he gets the chances but can’t bury them. His shot looks improved and conditioning is excellent, our 4th line can roll some talent this year, depth scoring could go a long way to replacing Fiala’s production.
 
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