Dr Jan Itor
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This is pretty much the reason/reasons that I wouldn't do it, though not in those exact words.
Proposal: Minnesota - Ottawa Blockbuster
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No one said physicality doesn't matter, you butthurt baby. What was said is that fights don't matter and that Tkachuk takes as many penalties as he draws. I'd love for you to quote the post where someone said physicality doesn't matter.
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It's crazy that you got that upset about this innocuous post:
Before it was even posted
"I don't see Tkachuk's phsyicality as valuable enough to consider this trade"
So again, no one said physicality doesn't matter. I get your point though. He did propose the 1 for 1 trade
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Boldy just turned 23 in April. Tkachuk will soon turn 25 in September. The difference is 19 months or 1-2 years like I've said all thread.
I do think there is a general feeling among wild fans that Boldy can contribute more. There will be a point that he just is what he is. I'm not there yet when he's just about to play his 23 year old season. Maybe in a year or two.
When Boldy was on the top line, he was at a 1.09 ppg. When he was playing with a cast of misfits in the middle 6, he was around .76 ppg or something like that. They honestly took way too long to move Boldy away from the lazy and disengaged Johansson. The Kap-Ek-Boldy line that was put together in February is probably the best line in team history. It was explosive. Putting them together also made Minnesota a one line team, so not really helpful overall to the team itself. There are a bunch of lackluster forwards in that middle 6 range that would be hard to produce with (Johansson, Zucc, Gaudreau, etc) that I think would dampen Tkachuk's stat line too if he had to play with them. Tkachuk would probably also produce nicely next to Kaprizov and Ek I'm sure. So there is some semblance of balance in linemates when comparing Boldy to Tkachuk.
On Ottawa, Tkachuk had time with Stutzle, Batherson, Giroux, Pinto, Norris, Tarasenko, etc. Minnesota doesn't have that firepower for Boldy to play with once you get past Kaprizov.
There's plenty of context to look at and see these two as pretty comparable players.
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If you truly believe the narrative that Brady Tkachuk's physicality has nothing positive to offer his team, than comparing their offensive statistics and presuming that they are similar (regardless of the fact that Boldy has yet to exceed Tkachuk in goals or points in a season), and ending up at that conclusion is understandable.
I just can't believe I'm reading that kind of narrative after round after round of punishing physical playoff hockey.
Yes, it's a funny dig to bring up his lack of any playoff experience at all, but I think most teams would salivate at the opportunity to add a guy who can "score like Boldy" but also do all this other stuff too, skillsets that are extremely rare among offensive producers of their level. Most tough guys have to be used sparingly because they are liabilities in other areas. He sees a lot of ice so that's a lot of coverage.
Digitalbooya said:
This year was a disaster for the Senators. Pinto didn't even get to play until Game 42. Norris' recurring shoulder injury keeps putting him out of the lineup for massive amounts of time. And in his current state, when he is in the lineup, he is a distant shadow of the player he was. It's a legitimate catastrophe for the roster and the cap. Stutzle was out and then returned with tape all over his neck and was never the same.
Tkachuk led his team in scoring, despite all those names, or lack thereof, for the 4th time in his 6 seasons in the league. He's an underrated game breaker offensively. He creates a lot of offensive chances himself, and he has surprisingly subtle hands that can make some really sublime plays happen.
With everything going wrong, from the goaltending, to the missing players, to the extremely poor special teams, Tkachuk was the one consistent factor IMO.
I think a lot of people assume he is a beneficiary of the offence of others, when he's a very gifted offensive producer all on his own.
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They're really not though. If both players were hypothetically sitting there in a re-draft or expansion draft, 32 out of 32 GM's would take BT without a blink and ~95+% of neutral fans on this board would do the same.
I have a hard time seeing Brady plateuing as what he is (or even declining, of course) and Boldy taking a big leap.
This site and I have been wrong before but i see it as very unlikely.
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Golden_Jet
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Sure, I'll tell you what, if you can find a post made by me, where I say physicality doesn't matter and I would trade Boldy for Tkachuk, I'll give you the attention you so desperately seek and answer the question. Until you provide those posts, made by me, where I say physicality doesn't matter and I would trade Boldy for Tkachuk, we're not taking the post with the assumptions that I did seriously.
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Do you have anything grounded in fact or statistics or reality that says they're not "pretty comparable players" or is it just the hypothetical fantasy draft for which you made numbers up?
It’s not like we are comparing Tkachuk to Rossi my dude. Boldy’s size is just fine for the playoffs. I do not care if Boldy throws hits or not. I’d rather he be possessing the puck; can’t hit someone if your team has the puck. I think he plays through contact just fine.
I do value Tkachuk’s physicality. More so than other wild fans, hence why I proposed the trade. I’m saying there are other factors that Boldy has that are value pluses to his side (lower cap hit, longer contract, just had a higher ppg, etc) that IMO offset the value. I would prefer to offer picks and prospects for Tkachuk, even if it meant overpaying, so that the Wild could run a Tkachuk-Rossi-Ohgren second line behind Kaprizov-Ek-Boldy.
For the linemate topic, it’s not a detractor for Tkachuk to play with who he did. I’m saying that Boldy doesn’t stand a chance of competing with Tkachuk’s stat line when he has Ek and Johansson as his linemates and Tkachuk has Stutzle and Giroux (or Pinto and Batherson) as his. Ek is fantastic and does a bunch of little things so that stars like Kaprizov don’t have to, but he’s not a high offense generator on his own. I get the feeling Tkachuk would literally yeet Johansson into the crowd because he would be fed up with his soft play.
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I don't really have any idea what that means, but it doesn't sound good. However, it also sounds like I'd be on board with it if it meant getting Johansson off the ice for the Wild. So, let's just skip all the rest of whatever back and forth yammering that's been going on for several pages and do whatever 'yeeting' is to Johansson and be done with it.
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Sounds like you got your validation from the crowd. You can breathe deep and sleep easy now.
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Golden_Jet
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Poster has become emotional in thread, I agree with you.
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MK9
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Literally less than 12 hours, without a single vote from a fan in the Central division. At least the Kap-Stutzle poll was open long enough for there to be a discussion. Reminder that was also 75% Stutzle.
Golden_Jet
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Yep, closed before I knew it existed to vote, but landslide ones get closed quickly.
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