Confirmed Buy-Out [MIN] Zach Parise and Ryan Suter

[TS Quint]

Love this as a Wild fan. Year 2-4 sucks but it had to be done.

It starts year one. It limits what they can do with contracts. They can’t sing players to contracts that extend into those years. Shrugging your shoulders over a 4 year major handicap is surprising.

 

[bucks_oil]

It was not. Given the reaction by Suter when Guerin called... it was not mutual.

Missed that... that's gotta suck for him then. Oh well, bright side is he'll have a chance to join a contender.

 

[super6646]

Kevin O'Leary is somewhere crying right now thinking about all of that money burning.

So random to bring him up in this thread lol.

He’s got other problems rn anyways

 

[kegstandbyme]

It starts year one. It limits what they can do with contracts. They can’t sing players to contracts that extend into those years. Shrugging your shoulders over a 4 year major handicap is surprising.

The Wild aren’t good enough to win anything soon. This year we can sign one year deals for players to hopefully/potentially flip at the next deadline to keep adding to our system. They both wore out their welcomes and the potential cap recapture hovering above the team didn’t help. As far as 2-4 goes, you have to ride it out with guys on elcs until those big dead cap charges drop down. That’s why even with 26 million this year, I can see Fiala still being traded.

 

[TS Quint]

The Wild aren’t good enough to win anything soon. This year we can sign one year deals for players to hopefully/potentially flip at the next deadline to keep adding to our system. They both wore out their welcomes and the potential cap recapture hovering above the team didn’t help. As far as 2-4 goes, you have to ride it out with guys on elcs until those big dead cap charges drop down. That’s why even with 26 million this year, I can see Fiala still being traded.

That is a different perspective than I was expecting. I thought Wild fans were feeling a bit more positive after this year. If you believe their best path is a 4 year rebuild then this makes sense. If that’s the plan then I see why Kaprizov is giving the Wild a hard time.

I’m also doubtful that Parise plays for much longer and would have hit LTIR before the worst years of this buyout.

 

[johnsic]

I can’t imagine them being in on Eichel now with the $12-$14m in dead cap tied up in the next 3 years after this upcoming season. That would be cap hell for Minnesota.

I can't imagine any top UFA signing with Minnesota or any top player waiving NMC/NTC for them. Minnesota is setting up to be similar poison for players than Columbus.

 

[One Winged Angel]

I can't imagine any top UFA signing with Minnesota or any top player waiving NMC/NTC for them. Minnesota is setting up to be similar poison for players than Columbus.

Yeah, $12-$14m in dead cap space while you have to complete your roster is not good.

 

[Bazeek]

I can't imagine any top UFA signing with Minnesota or any top player waiving NMC/NTC for them. Minnesota is setting up to be similar poison for players than Columbus.

If this keeps us out of the higher end of the UFA market for the next 4 years I'll consider it a feature, not a bug.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Parise's NHL career is finished unless he wants to sign with a bottom feeder or in Europe. He doesn't have the same shine of a couple of years ago. The Islanders won't be signing him.

I think he'll get one more shot to be a top six player but in the end I think injuries have taken their toll.

 

[MuckOG]

It starts year one. It limits what they can do with contracts. They can’t sing players to contracts that extend into those years. Shrugging your shoulders over a 4 year major handicap is surprising.

The Wild were going to have that 4 year handicap whether they were bought out or not.

 

[MuckOG]

Are you telling me Guerin couldn't pick up the phone to call Kenny and trade Suter for Bear and a 3rd, no retention?

No, because there would still be the threat of being hit with the cap recapture penalty.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Eh. Personally, since his injury, I don’t think Suter has been the same. I noticed a pet significant step back this year in his play. It will only get worse.
I feel he’s living off his reputation of what he was, not what he currently is. At best he’sa second pair defender, IMHO.
He never really hit a second gear in the playoffs which was disappointing

Suter has never had a "second gear." He's pretty much been the same player since he was drafted. I find it odd that he's being evaluated so critically at this point.

 

[TS Quint]

The Wild were going to have that 4 year handicap whether they were bought out or not.

I’m not so sure about Parise. Suter, maybe but at least you get some value but I guess that he would cost the Wild Dumba but I’m not sure Dumba has been worth his head ache.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I know Suter has the "stain" of his departure from Nashville but I guess there are other less than flattering reports of he and Parise? The first I have heard of it really. It seems like Guerin wants to do a slash and burn here and engineer a 100% overhaul of the team culture and identity. To the extent he is willing to risk short term success and flexibility.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

It starts year one. It limits what they can do with contracts. They can’t sing players to contracts that extend into those years. Shrugging your shoulders over a 4 year major handicap is surprising.

Buying them out or keeping and paying two players in decline that you don’t want around is really the same thing. They aren’t “worse” off.

 

[SI90]

Since they’re bought out can teams contact their agents right away or do they have to wait until free agency?

 

[boredmale]

What

 

[MuckOG]

Since they’re bought out can teams contact their agents right away or do they have to wait until free agency?

I think they just become UFAs and are subject to the same rules as all other UFAs.

 

[Oddbob]

Since they’re bought out can teams contact their agents right away or do they have to wait until free agency?

I would imagine they are UFA right away.

 

[TS Quint]

Buying them out or keeping and paying two players in decline that you don’t want around is really the same thing. They aren’t “worse” off.

what are you quoting ?

Why do you want to pay (cap hit) one of the best defensemen on the team about the same cap hit to not play?

I also don’t think Parise has much tread on the tires left before he hits LTIR.

 

[ReggiesLemons]

So random to bring him up in this thread lol.

He’s got other problems rn anyways

LOL. Minnesota is doing his least favorite thing, burning money and by the millions.

I am still surprised Suter was bought out. I didn't think he has been that bad.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I guess there was some acrimony between Guerin and Suter (and to a lesser extent Parise)?

 

[MuckOG]

what are you quoting ?

Why do you want to pay (cap hit) one of the best defensemen on the team about the same cap hit to not play?

I also don’t think Parise has much tread on the tires left before he hits LTIR.

Parise can't go on LTIR just because he doesn't have any tread left on the tires. And he still thinks he can play. What's the point of carrying him on the roster if he is a healthy scratch every game? All that will do is create acrimony between him and the team.

Suter played well last year, but Guerin made it pretty clear that buying out Suter was just as much about changing the team "culture" as it was the fact that he is getting older and will probably fall out of the line-up if not this season, then next.

The NHL really screwed the Wild by retroactively punishing them for contracts THEY APPROVED back in 2012.

 

[TS Quint]

Parise can't go on LTIR just because he doesn't have any tread left on the tires. And he still thinks he can play. What's the point of carrying him on the roster if he is a healthy scratch every game? All that will do is create acrimony between him and the team.

Suter played well last year, but Guerin made it pretty clear that buying out Suter was just as much about changing the team "culture" as it was the fact that he is getting older and will probably fall out of the line-up if not this season, then next.

The NHL really screwed the Wild by retroactively punishing them for contracts THEY APPROVED back in 2012.

Guerin sounds like a bit of an idiot. I mean chasing more assets just to keep Dumba again and try to resign him when the big penalties hit is bad enough.

How many players keep going on these long term contracts until the end? Has there been any yet? Parise is breaking down and that is obvious. Eventually these old dogs find an injury or multiple that just doesn’t let them train the way they need to play the game to an acceptable level personally and they give it up.

 

[MuckOG]

Guerin sounds like a bit of an idiot. I mean chasing more assets just to keep Dumba again and try to resign him when the big penalties is bad enough.

How many players keep going on these long term contracts until the end? Has there been any yet? He’s breaking down and that is obvious. Eventually these old dogs find an injury or multiple that just doesn’t let them train the way they need to play the game to an acceptable level personally and they give it up.

The player has to have an injury to go in LTIR. Parise doesn't play anymore, so how can he get injured to go on LTIR? He wants to play so he isn't going to willingly go on LTIR just to help out the Wild.

Buying out Suter this season gives Guerin enough money to sign a "stop gap" replacement for him until a LHD prospect is ready to join the team on an ELC in years 3 and 4.

I don't think these buyouts were made to just protect Dumba.