Confirmed Buy-Out [MIN] Zach Parise and Ryan Suter

[One Winged Angel]

I can’t imagine them being in on Eichel now with the $12-$14m in dead cap tied up in the next 3 years after this upcoming season. That would be cap hell for Minnesota.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

The only reason why I think they would buy them out instead of trying to trade Suter at 50% retained is because of the cap pen that they would get if they decided to retire?

I see Greenway is a RFA when they have 12m in deadcap.. Wonder if someone offer sheets him knowing the Wild will be in a pickle.

It’s the same now as it was with both still being on team, that was the only reason trading Dumba was considered palatable. Getting Rask off the books more than covers Greenway, but then you need a center replacement, though with Rossi added it would only be for the bottom line. As long as the cap increases even close to usual over the next 4 years, the contract situation will not prevent any signings of current high value players.

 

[FissionFire]

That’s a lot of dead cap. Wild are definitely going full rebuild now. Can’t imagine trying to compete with 13M in dead cap.

 

[Spurgeon]

It’s the same now as it was with both still being on team, that was the only reason trading Dumba was considered palatable. Getting Rask off the books more than covers Greenway, but then you need a center replacement, though with Rossi added it would only be for the bottom line. As long as the cap increases even close to usual over the next 4 years, the contract situation will not prevent any signings of current high value players.

Its not going to, unfortunately.

 

[lightstorm]

Are you telling me Guerin couldn't pick up the phone to call Kenny and trade Suter for Bear and a 3rd, no retention?

 

[LetsGoIslanders]

Parise gonna play with Pageau and Suter with McAvoy

Parise's NHL career is finished unless he wants to sign with a bottom feeder or in Europe. He doesn't have the same shine of a couple of years ago. The Islanders won't be signing him.

 

[Not Sure]

Nothing is for sure right now on the Wild's side of things. Yet If Kaprizov were to be traded I would assume it's for futures( Draft Picks/ Young ELC Players) Doubtfully Eichel with his cap hit /Injuries. I could see many team's lining up and paying a lot to get Kaprizov.

In what world are teams lining up to pay a huge price for a guy already threatening to go to the KHL? This exact situation is why teams tend to stay away from Russian players, it not a real good look if you want to cash in your chips. Hed need to be signed long term and approve the deal or he could leave for Russia as soon as the trade came through, I dont see any GM taking that risk.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Off to Tampa (or another contender) they go for league min?

 

[StreetHawk]

Are you telling me Guerin couldn't pick up the phone to call Kenny and trade Suter for Bear and a 3rd, no retention?

Not without Suter okaying the move which he wouldn’t.

 

[Swervin81]

Parise's cooked. He's one back injury away from retirement. He's an understandable buyout.

That said, a still effective Suter is the shocking one to see bought out. The fact that they were both unceremoniously dumped together (even though it only kicks the cap can one year down the road) seems to indicate something smelly was going on in MN with those two. Especially considering Parise was seemingly trapped in Evason's doghouse all year.

 

[StreetHawk]

Parise's cooked. He's one back injury away from retirement. He's an understandable buyout.

That said, a still effective Suter is the shocking one to see bought out. The fact that they were both unceremoniously dumped together (even though it only kicks the cap can one year down the road) seems to indicate something smelly was going on in MN with those two. Especially considering Parise was seemingly trapped in Evason's doghouse all year.

Parise bought out because he believes he can still play. So he’s more likely to come back from injury than remain on permanent ltir which would be better for Minny.

Suter can still play but they have to retain or take back a bad contract to make it work since he’s got 4 years left. But if Suter says I won’t waive nmc for a trade he actually ends up ahead financially. He’s short $3.3 mill from what he is owed. Likely can get around $3 mill in a one year deal. If he plays 2 years he’ll come out ahead.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Guerin: Hey Ron Wilson if we give you a two 1sts and a 2nd will you take Parise ?
Wilson: For the price of Five 1st round picks & ur 2021 2nd + 50% retention on Parise & allow us to select Dumba we'll take Parise.
Guerin: Well damn. *hangs up phone on Wilson*.
Guerin: We are buying out Parise and Suter.
Wilson: Hey i just heard you bought out Parise and Suter, if i give you a 4th round pick think you can expose Dumba or Greenway ?
Guerin: You overplayed ur hand Ron, you get nothing.

 

[eramosat]

If you had predicted on the day they signed that one of the two would be getting scratched and both would be bought out with 4 years left AND Minnesota would have no championships to show for it you’d have been lambasted.

Well, I think more than a few fans back then thought it was a pretty risky move. Although fans were not as tuned into the horrors of the back-end of the contract like they are now. But 2x13 years?

It was a swing for the fences for Minny. Which cratered.

I expect both players to re-sign with Minny for peanuts, league minimum. Which would be the Honorable thing to do, and I think they are Honorable guys.

 

[CREW99AW]

Parise's NHL career is finished unless he wants to sign with a bottom feeder or in Europe. He doesn't have the same shine of a couple of years ago. The Islanders won't be signing him.

I am still thanking Koivu for using his ntc and blocking the Isles/ Wild trade, at the 2020 TDL.

Russo says it would have been Parise + Koivu for Ladd+Bellows+ 1st.

I didn't want the extra yrs of Parise's contract.

 

[MikeyMike01]

They added 8m for a year... then they have cap hell for 3 straight years. Not really good in my opinion.

Perhaps the plan is to sign 1-year UFAs and then flip them at the deadline. Then full rebuild.

 

[aemoreira1981]

This means that Matt Dumba is staying, or he will be traded on the Wild's terms. Before this, the Wild's three protection slots on defense were going to be those with continuing NMCs: Jonas Brodin, Jared Spurgeon, and Ryan Suter...and everyone else exposed. With Suter now bought out, Dumba now slots into that third protection slot. Up front, Nico Sturm likely slots into that seventh slot.

I suspect that Ryan Suter and Zach Parise were asked to waive their respective NMCs and both said no, leading to the buyouts.

As for the pick, I suspect Carson Soucy, unless Bill Guerin shocks the hockey world and decides to protect Soucy. But remember, Soucy and Dumba are both 1994-born players...Soucy has only played just over 100 games in the NHL while Dumba has played over 450.

BTW, players who are bought out cannot be re-signed by the buyout team until after the next season ends.

 

[jetsforever]

Off to Tampa (or another contender) they go for league min?

The Bogosian special

 

[Voight]

Parise's NHL career is finished unless he wants to sign with a bottom feeder or in Europe. He doesn't have the same shine of a couple of years ago. The Islanders won't be signing him.

Parise can probably catch on with a contender on a league minimum deal. If he sucks, they can bury him with no cap charge.

 

[Timeless Winter]

Can they pay Kaprizov now?

 

[powerstuck]

It’s the same now as it was with both still being on team, that was the only reason trading Dumba was considered palatable. Getting Rask off the books more than covers Greenway, but then you need a center replacement, though with Rossi added it would only be for the bottom line. As long as the cap increases even close to usual over the next 4 years, the contract situation will not prevent any signings of current high value players.

Sure you can build a team with that money, but its not going to be the best of the teams.

Cap being at 81.5M (and it's not going to rise 5M per year) they have less than midpoint to work with in 2022-23. 14.7M a year for 3 years is a lot of cash, it's actually 2 very good players at great contracts ballpark.

 

[P10p]

Are you telling me Guerin couldn't pick up the phone to call Kenny and trade Suter for Bear and a 3rd, no retention?

He had a full NMC. If you think Suter is waiving for Edm, you are kidding yourself.

 

[Bruce Granville]

Parise's NHL career is finished unless he wants to sign in Europe.

That‘s not how it works.

 

[saintunspecified]

Could easily see Parise to NYI as a part-time third-liner/PP specialist. It's a good place for him to play 30-40 regular season games as they cycle in other wingers as necessary. Nothing helps a back more that reduced travel + frequent rest, and he could get both on NYI.

 

[bucks_oil]

Parise's cooked. He's one back injury away from retirement. He's an understandable buyout.

That said, a still effective Suter is the shocking one to see bought out. The fact that they were both unceremoniously dumped together (even though it only kicks the cap can one year down the road) seems to indicate something smelly was going on in MN with those two. Especially considering Parise was seemingly trapped in Evason's doghouse all year.

Smelly, or they both only have a year or two left to try and win a cup and asked out.

I'm thinking this was a mutual move all around. Minnesota is probably an internal budget team until league revenues rebound anyway, so they probably don't want/need the cap space anyway during a rebuild.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Smelly, or they both only have a year or two left to try and win a cup and asked out.

I'm thinking this was a mutual move all around. Minnesota is probably an internal budget team until league revenues rebound anyway, so they probably don't want/need the cap space anyway during a rebuild.

It was not. Given the reaction by Suter when Guerin called... it was not mutual.