Confirmed Buy-Out [MIN] Zach Parise and Ryan Suter

[Yog S'loth]

What the heck

They save almost nothing against the cap

And not even that much in real dollars

...crazy

 

[AHockeyFanatic]

Misquoted

 

[GreeningOil]

Buying out Suter might be the worst cap decision a GM has ever made.

Even worse than taking 5.6M Keith (just yesterday lol)

 

[sxvnert]

Buying out Suter might be the worst cap decision a GM has ever made.

A big part of it is finishing off the changing the guard. Minny can easily handle that dead cap space over the next 4 years given the amount of elc/rfa contracts.

 

[MNRube]

A big part of it is finishing off the changing the guard. Minny can easily handle that dead cap space over the next 4 years given the amount of elc/rfa contracts.

Yeah Minnesota has a very deep group of prospects that they can draw on over the next 3 years. They were already going to be paying these 2 the money anyways, even if they didnt buy them out.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Minnesota has never won anything….he’ll probably have a better chance anywhere else.View attachment 452816

You're responding to a Devils fan.

 

[Team Cozens]

Eichel…??

^^

 

[MNRube]

If the Habs get him somehow and Chiarot isn't picked in the ED

Eddy - Petry
Suter - Weber
Romanov - Chiarot

Sounds terrible to play against and far better than this past years dcore.

Suter-Weber would get roasted, they both need a speedy reliable partner. I dont think this is how I would do the pairings.

 

[HowSweeeedeItIs]

Does anyone know what the cap recapture would have looked like if either of them retired in the next few years? I'm guessing that the main reason for Minnesota buying them out is fear of them retiring, so they preferred knowing the caphit in advance. Freeing up expansion draft slots is a plus, but I think the potential cap recapture is the main thing going on here.

 

[Spurgeon]

A big part of it is finishing off the changing the guard. Minny can easily handle that dead cap space over the next 4 years given the amount of elc/rfa contracts.

Changing of the guard or not. At the very least, you ask him if he’ll waive his NMC to go somewhere on a retained salary transaction. Suter is still a very solid top 4 LD, which isn’t going to be replaceable whatsoever with the $150K in cap savings in years 3 and 4 of this buyout. The Wild are not in a good place with their cap whatsoever. Fiala and Kaprizov require extensions which are going to eat up all of the space. There’s going to have to be more moves to make this work after next year.

 

[Scrantonicity 2]

The Oilers trade for Keith and the next day Ryan Suter becomes available for free.

 

[Djp]

It does seem like the expansion draft was the catalyst here. They don't need to expose Dumba, and can now protect all the forwards they want to as well. It's a harsh decision considering there will be practically no cap relief on their buyouts in years 2-4 but I have no doubt Guerin has calculated this one out pretty thoroughly. It's an end of an era for the Wild.

I agree…they asked to be exposed and refused. They can keep a F and D otherwise exposed.

minnesota has a few ELC starting in 22/23 when the high caps hit so that can absorb some of the pain if you have a rough cap budget slot model for your top 9/top 4. Instead of having a $5M you have an ELC.

I think they also coukd be looking at other pkayers not QOed thst might cost around $2M.

 

[sxvnert]

Yeah Minnesota has a very deep group of prospects that they can draw on over the next 3 years. They were already going to be paying these 2 the money anyways, even if they didnt buy them out.

They are one of the few teams that can stomach this mega buyout.
Guerin removed a large portion of the previous old guard last summer and the wild went from slow/boring to speedy/exciting. Its an easy sell to ownership given last seasons results.

All this with boldy + rossi waiting in the wings.

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

Wow, please sign Suter. We could really use him on the Rangers.

 

[bobbythebrain]

The Oilers trade for Keith and the next day Ryan Suter becomes available for free.

Gotta love these no thought jabs.

A. Would Suter even consider Edm
B. Oilers can still sign Suter
C. The Oilers likely have a better shot convincing Suter w/ Keith


It's not rocket appliances

 

[MNRube]

Man Guerin has got to really hate Fletcher and Fenton.

 

[boredmale]

What the heck

They save almost nothing against the cap

And not even that much in real dollars

...crazy

Only thing I can think of is it now allows them not to expose Dumba and another forward

 

[dragonballgtz]

Aging vets, and one he wanted in Detroit years ago... Holland just got moist

EDIT: Live feed from Ken Holland's office

 

[Pavels Dog]

Not a bad move by Minny really. Going for a full-on rebuild is the right move. These buyouts handcuff the team for the next 3-4 years and ensure they will bottom out and get some top picks.

 

[Sinistril]

What the.... Dead cap for years.

 

[LuGBuG]

They got tons of cash. Let Tampa unload their cap issues and both sign there for league minimum.

 

[P10p]

Changing of the guard or not. At the very least, you ask him if he’ll waive his NMC to go somewhere on a retained salary transaction. Suter is still a very solid top 4 LD, which isn’t going to be replaceable whatsoever with the $150K in cap savings in years 3 and 4 of this buyout. The Wild are not in a good place with their cap whatsoever. Fiala and Kaprizov require extensions which are going to eat up all of the space. There’s going to have to be more moves to make this work after next year.

You're basing this idea on the fact that Suter won't decline by years 3-4. You're also not considering the cap recapture at all. Fiala and Kaprizov will not eat up all the space, we had enough cap for them already and just gained +10mil cap space this year..

 

[boredmale]

Not a bad move by Minny really. Going for a full-on rebuild is the right move. These buyouts handcuff the team for the next 3-4 years and ensure they will bottom out and get some top picks.

Only problem is the caphit for both is terrible in years 2, 3 and 4 to the point it's almost not worth buying them out. I guess Minny will have to hope we see the cap increase after next year to make up for the lost space.

 

[McRpro]

Damn Minnesota, that's wild!

 

[Mickey Marner]

Does anyone know what the cap recapture would have looked like if either of them retired in the next few years? I'm guessing that the main reason for Minnesota buying them out is fear of them retiring, so they preferred knowing the caphit in advance. Freeing up expansion draft slots is a plus, but I think the potential cap recapture is the main thing going on here.

A lot, the Wild hadn't paid down any of their cap advantage. If Minnesota traded them away now and they both retired with one year remaining on their deals the recapture penalties would be about 20 million a piece.