Confirmed Signing with Link: [MIN] Kirill Kaprizov re-signs with the Wild (5 years, $9M AAV)

[MuckOG]

Absolutely! Lots of KHL players put up poor performances in the NHL. Most in fact.

Not players that produced as young as he was. He is at the top of a very select company and it's not even close. I'm obviously not saying that these stats are the SOLE reasoning for his contract...but this combined with other factors (Calder trophy winner, age, immediate impact, sells jerseys, etc) is what led to this contract.

KHL U23 All Time Single Season Scoring Top 10:

Player	Season	Team	GP	G	A	TP
Kirill Kaprizov	2019-2020	CSKA Moscow	57	33	29	62
Kirill Kaprizov	2018-2019	CSKA Moscow	57	30	21	51
Alexander Radulov	2008-2009	Salavat Yulaev Ufa	52	22	26	48
Vladimir Tarasenko	2011-2012	Sibir Novosibirsk/SKA	54	23	24	47
Anatoli Golyshev	2015-2016	Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg	56	25	19	44
Evgeny Kuznetsov	2012-2013	Traktor Chelyabinsk	51	19	25	44
Vadim Shipachyov	2009-2010	Severstal Cherepovets	55	14	30	44
Kirill Kaprizov	2016-2017	Salavat Yulaev Ufa	49	20	22	42
Evgeny Kuznetsov	2011-2012	Traktor Chelyabinsk	49	19	22	41
Artemi Panarin	2013-2014	SKA St. Petersburg	51	20	20	40

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[HockeyVirus]

Based on watching them both play.

I doubt that.

 

[Oddbob]

Not players that produced as young as he was. He is at the top of a very select company and it's not even close. I'm obviously not saying that these stats are the SOLE reasoning for his contract...but this combined with other factors (Calder trophy winner, age, immediate impact, sells jerseys, etc) is what led to this contract.

KHL U23 All Time Single Season Scoring Top 10:

NHL players still get paid for what they do in the NHL, and he has little experience.

 

[AKL]

NHL players still get paid for what they do in the NHL, and he has little experience.

He is getting paid for what he's doing, and going to be doing, in the NHL. He is getting paid to play in Minnesota for the next five years. He is not getting paid 9M per season to go play in Russia.

 

[Oddbob]

He is getting paid for what he's doing, and going to be doing, in the NHL. He is getting paid to play in Minnesota for the next five years. He is not getting paid 9M per season to go play in Russia.

Yeah and what if he only puts up 55 pts in a full season, is he still getting paid for his performance? People acting like young players can't start well and then not maintain it is something new.

 

[AKL]

Yeah and what if he only puts up 55 pts in a full season, is he still getting paid for his performance? People acting like young players can't start well and then not maintain it is something new.

24 years old, been maintaining the same level of play for several years now. There's risk with literally every contract. Draisaitl signed a contract for 8.5M and it turned into a bargain contract. Skinner signed a contract for 9M and it turned into a horrible deal. Such is life.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. "If his play suddenly drops it'll be a bad contract" oh gosh you know what, no one ever considered that before you, very insightful, thanks! You could say that about almost any player in the league.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

Yeah and what if he only puts up 55 pts in a full season, is he still getting paid for his performance? People acting like young players can't start well and then not maintain it is something new.

He’s not really a young player, he’s a 2015 draft pick, in the prime of his career. How many of his fellow draft year elite players do you think will fall off a cliff production wise this year?

 

[Oddbob]

24 years old, been maintaining the same level of play for several years now. There's risk with literally every contract. Draisaitl signed a contract for 8.5M and it turned into a bargain contract. Skinner signed a contract for 9M and it turned into a horrible deal. Such is life.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. "If his play suddenly drops it'll be a bad contract" oh gosh you know what, no one ever considered that before you, very insightful, thanks! You could say that about almost any player in the league.

He hasn't maintained anything in the NHL, and until then none of us know. if he turns into only a 50-60 yearly player, 9 is way too much.

 

[AKL]

He hasn't maintained anything in the NHL, and until then none of us know. if he turns into only a 50-60 yearly player, 9 is way too much.

It doesn't really matter that much that he hasn't maintained anything in the NHL. The point is he has been this level of player for several years now. He proved that it does transfer to the NHL this year. That's really all there is to it. This is an 8M player making 9M for 5 years. There's nothing abnormal about that part. The part people seem to struggle with (like you are) is the idea that he would be paid for what he's going to provide going forward, rather than paying him after his best years are behind him.

And if it completely backfires and he devolves into a 50 point forward like you (baselessly) think will happen, then it's only for five years, and for four of those we weren't going to be competitive anyway.

 

[Oddbob]

It doesn't really matter that much that he hasn't maintained anything in the NHL. The point is he has been this level of player for several years now. He proved that it does transfer to the NHL this year. That's really all there is to it. This is an 8M player making 9M for 5 years. There's nothing abnormal about that part. The part people seem to struggle with (like you are) is the idea that he would be paid for what he's going to provide going forward, rather than paying him after his best years are behind him.

And if it completely backfires and he devolves into a 50 point forward like you (baselessly) think will happen, then it's only for five years, and for four of those we weren't going to be competitive anyway.

He didn't prove anything. Most KHL players don't bring their good stats with them. But you enjoy 9 per if he is only a 50 player player going forward.

 

[Just Linda]

Not players that produced as young as he was. He is at the top of a very select company and it's not even close. I'm obviously not saying that these stats are the SOLE reasoning for his contract...but this combined with other factors (Calder trophy winner, age, immediate impact, sells jerseys, etc) is what led to this contract.

KHL U23 All Time Single Season Scoring Top 10:

Not to argue the list but that's definitely missing some really good seasons. Shipachov's 22 year old season where he had 60pts in 53?ish games comes to mind among others. Where did you pull that one from?

 

[AKL]

He didn't prove anything. Most KHL players don't bring their good stats with them. But you enjoy 9 per if he is only a 50 player player going forward.

Yes, most don't bring them with them. Kaprizov did. That is the entire point. That is why he got 9M. Just because YOU don't understand why this contract is fine doesn't mean it's not fine. It means either you have something to learn, or you shouldn't be passing judgment on it.

 

[Boondock]

Congrats to Wild fans for getting KK signed and for eating 2 UFA years. I was one of the people that thought this was going to drag on into camp with KK's side only willing to look at 3 year offers. Cap might be a little high for this season but the Wild got their man signed and for longer term than he originally wanted so unless there is some catastrophic change in KKs play and production - I'm happy for Wild fans.

 

[Oddbob]

Yes, most don't bring them with them. Kaprizov did. That is the entire point. That is why he got 9M. Just because YOU don't understand why this contract is fine doesn't mean it's not fine. It means either you have something to learn, or you shouldn't be passing judgment on it.

He got this contract because Minnesota panicked. 1 season proves nothing. Jim Carey won the Vezina and was gone shortly after. Lots of players had great rookie seasons and then went downhill.

 

[Oddbob]

Yes, most don't bring them with them. Kaprizov did. That is the entire point. That is why he got 9M. Just because YOU don't understand why this contract is fine doesn't mean it's not fine. It means either you have something to learn, or you shouldn't be passing judgment on it.

Also wanted to add, I understand fine, but enjoy your view on your high horse where only your view is right or "fact".

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

He got this contract because Minnesota panicked. 1 season proves nothing. Jim Carey won the Vezina and was gone shortly after. Lots of players had great rookie seasons and then went downhill.

And lots of players didn't.

 

[MuckOG]

He got this contract because Minnesota panicked. 1 season proves nothing. Jim Carey won the Vezina and was gone shortly after. Lots of players had great rookie seasons and then went downhill.

With each post Im becoming more and more convinced you haven't really watched many Wild games last season and really have no idea if what kind of player he is.

 

[Oddbob]

With each post Im becoming more and more convinced you haven't really watched many Wild games last season and really have no idea if what kind of player he is.

With each post, I'm more and more convinced you have never seen players regress after starting well.

 

[Oddbob]

And lots of players didn't.

And virtually none of them got 9 mil for a good 56 game stretch.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

And virtually none of them got 9 mil for a good 56 game stretch.

Sometimes you find yourself in circumstances that aren't perfect and have to make due.

Our circumstances dictated that we HAD to get UFA years, and we paid for them. Simply as that. We didn't have the ability to wait and see what happened for another year or two.

 

[AKL]

He got this contract because Minnesota panicked. 1 season proves nothing. Jim Carey won the Vezina and was gone shortly after. Lots of players had great rookie seasons and then went downhill.

He didn't get this contract because Minnesota panicked, he got this contract because he is an elite level winger.
It doesn't matter how many games a player has played in this league. There is always the risk that they don't live up the contract.

Skinner played 661 games before he got his, and now he's a 30 point player.
Larkin has played 433 games in his career, now suddenly he's a 40 point player.
Draisaitl played 269 games before he turned into the 100+ point player he is.
MacKinnon played 300 games before he turned into a 95+ point player.

Again, just because you only started paying attention to him this year, doesn't mean he hasn't been this level of player for several years. Whether he's played in the KHL for most of that time or the NHL, it doesn't really matter. He is getting paid for the level of player he is, not for racking up points in this specific league. Kaprizov is getting paid for what he is, and what he will be, not what he may or may not have done in this league or another.

You trying to point out that his play could get worse and thus this is a bad contract is an incredibly weak argument that could be made about every single player in the league. It's not insightful, and you're not intelligent for posting it. Every single person on this site and beyond understands that concept.

 

[Oddbob]

Sometimes you find yourself in circumstances that aren't perfect and have to make due.

Our circumstances dictated that we HAD to get UFA years, and we paid for them. Simply as that. We didn't have the ability to wait and see what happened for another year or two.

Why did you have to? If he didn't like your offer, and held out, you can trade him. You could have gotten a good player for him if he has to have an insane deal right away.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Why did you have to? If he didn't like your offer, and held out, you can trade him. You could have gotten a good player for him if he has to have an insane deal right away.

And what if I really like watching him play for my favorite team and don't want to trade him over a $600-$800k excess cap hit?

 

[Oddbob]

He didn't get this contract because Minnesota panicked, he got this contract because he is an elite level winger.
It doesn't matter how many games a player has played in this league. There is always the risk that they don't live up the contract.

Skinner played 661 games before he got his, and now he's a 30 point player.
Larkin has played 433 games in his career, now suddenly he's a 40 point player.
Draisaitl played 269 games before he turned into the 100+ point player he is.
MacKinnon played 300 games before he turned into a 95+ point player.

Again, just because you only started paying attention to him this year, doesn't mean he hasn't been this level of player for several years. Whether he's played in the KHL for most of that time or the NHL, it doesn't really matter. He is getting paid for the level of player he is, not for racking up points in this specific league. Kaprizov is getting paid for what he is, and what he will be, not what he may or may not have done in this league or another.

You trying to point out that his play could get worse and thus this is a bad contract is an incredibly weak argument that could be made about every single player in the league. It's not insightful, and you're not intelligent for posting it. Every single person on this site and beyond understands that concept.

Whatever, you have proven without any doubt you think very highly of yourself and only you can be right. Also proven you have to insult others to convey your point, which is sad.

 

[Oddbob]

And what if I really like watching him play for my favorite team and don't want to trade him over a $600-$800k excess cap hit?

He is overpaid by more than that. You can enjoy him all you like, doesn't mean his contact is good.