Confirmed Signing with Link: [MIN] Kirill Kaprizov re-signs with the Wild (5 years, $9M AAV)

[heretik27]

Yeah.

And while thats the most likely scenario, there is no guarantee he is going to be a 90 point player. Players do hit sophomore slumps

Still has 5 years to make that contract look good. Even if he has a down year, Minnesota isn't contending with those buyouts on the books. He'll bring in fans and sell jerseys. I used to joke that games vs Minnesota were the cure for insomnia. At least now I'll be able to enjoy them.

 

[Bonin21]

200 you can probably find a number of high-end players that extended after their second year which would be like 160 games.

Eichel is one off the top of my head.

True, depends if you check based on signing date or when the contract kicks in.

Eichel's big contract kicked in after three seasons (209 games).

But if you check based on signing date guessing around 150 games played would be the limit of KK's contract being the highest. Crazy since he's just over a third of that.

 

[LOFIN]

Ive watched him play plenty. And I'm not saying the Wild made a mistake, they needed to get him signed.

But getting 9 million after 1 good season is utterly insane. Its completely unprecedented and the only reason you're getting so defensive is because of your fandom.

What was the other option? The Wild would've been stupid to sign him for less than 4 years. Therefore, you have to pay because you are buying UFA years.

 

[123offtheglass]

Steep price considering it's only 5 years but obviously worth it to keep their star player.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Ive watched him play plenty. And I'm not saying the Wild made a mistake, they needed to get him signed.

But getting 9 million after 1 good season is utterly insane. Its completely unprecedented and the only reason you're getting so defensive is because of your fandom.

It is what it is. The only contract comparable that exists is Panarin.

They probably could have saved some cash if they gave him his wish to hit UFA asap. But Panarin went through two teams to get his UFA.

Wild would rather have the player.

 

[Ginormousthumbs]

Remember when Karlsson scored 43 goals and finished with 78 points?

 

[The Moose is Loose]

I’d much rather have this guy making $9mm than Marner making $10.9mm. Both are sublime players. But this isn’t an overpay. He’s 24. He’s entering his prime. You’re paying for his peak seasons with none of the 21 year old player growing pains. $9mm feels like a bargain.

I'm the farthest thing from a leafs fan but in Marner's case you're getting his best years 21-27 (forwards peak early), he just posted a 94 point season at 21 years old before signing, and he had 2 teammates making 11+ million that he just outscored, there was no way Marner was signing for any less.

Thats very different context than a 24 year old rookie who scored 51 points in 55 games.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Guerin: “Kirill really hasn’t played that many games though.”

Kaprizov’s agent:

 

[McJedi]

I'm the farthest thing from a leafs fan but in Marner's case you're getting his best years 21-27 (forwards peak early), he just posted a 94 point season at 21 years old before signing, and he had 2 teammates making 11+ million that he just outscored, there was no way Marner was signing for any less.

Thats very different context than a 24 year old rookie who scored 51 points in 55 games.

You act as if his success in the KHL and international circuit don’t count for $#!+. But they do. He’s been elite at every stop. He’s not some out of no where rookie that’s 24. He’s been an elite hockey player for 4 years. Hockey does exist and it does matter outside the NHL.

this guy also scored in the NHL playoffs vs a much better opponent than the one that stymied Marner. Shoot. Minnesota did better vs Vegas than our Avs.

 

[rynryn]

Seems like the most important thing for Kirill is control. That's why he wanted a shorter contract, that's why he wanted that NTC. Cannot blame him a bit for that.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Still has 5 years to make that contract look good. Even if he has a down year, Minnesota isn't contending with those buyouts on the books. He'll bring in fans and sell jerseys. I used to joke that games vs Minnesota were the cure for insomnia. At least now I'll be able to enjoy them.

Fair.

But I think they do want to contend during those buyouts. The purpose was to get older players off the roster and give larger roles to their prime age guys- I'd be very surprised if they planned on not seriously competing for the next 5 season.

 

[LOFIN]

It is what it is. The only contract comparable that exists is Panarin.

They probably could have saved some cash if they gave him his wish to hit UFA asap. But Panarin went through two teams to get his UFA.

Wild would rather have the player.

And Panarin example works because he too played long in the KHL before coming over. Truth is, Kaprizovs numbers are better than Panarin for his career before the NHL and even for his 1st season.

Doesn't mean Kaprizov is going to be better than Panarin, but he's pretty close.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Remember when Karlsson scored 43 goals and finished with 78 points?

Sure. I also remember him being a 9% shooter for his career before that. And I don't remember him being the leading goal scorer in the 2nd best league in the world multiple times while shooting 19%.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Would only be for the last two years of the contract. Not eligible for a NTC before then.

Yes, that I what I meant. Thanks

 

[Just Linda]

I both feel like Kaprizov is making top much for too short of a sample size and that signing him for this amount was the right move for Minnesota to make.

5 years puts him to UFA right? This seems like some great negotiating from his agent.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

What was the other option? The Wild would've been stupid to sign him for less than 4 years. Therefore, you have to pay because you are buying UFA years.

I mean a 2 year deal he is still RFA and you get a larger sample size to evaluate him. Or if you're 100% convinced he is going to be an absolute superstar and you're going to give him 9 (!!) million dollars you'd think you want him for longer term than just 5.
Its just like Matthews only getting 5. Its absurd. At that price tag you should get as long of term as you want.

From a 3rd party perspective it just seems like Kaprisov won the deal pretty handily. Got extremely highly paid and still short enough term to bring him to UFA to sign another massive deal.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

You act as if his success in the KHL and international circuit don’t count for $#!+. But they do. He’s been elite at every stop. He’s not some out of no where rookie that’s 24. He’s been an elite hockey player for 4 years. Hockey does exist and it does matter outside the NHL.

this guy also scored in the NHL playoffs vs a much better opponent than the one that stymied Marner. Shoot. Minnesota did better vs Vegas than our Avs.

If you're signing 8 figure contracts based on non NHL success, longterm thats a losing game as a GM. It gives some context to him as a unsurprisingly good player, but really the only production you can directly value is this past season.

I mean Kaprisov only had 3 points in 7 games in his NHL playoff career. There are avenues to argue Kaprisov over Marner but I don't think playoff production is the way to do it, even considering Marner's horrendous showings.

 

[Chrisinroch]

Remember when Karlsson scored 43 goals and finished with 78 points?

No

 

[LOFIN]

I mean a 2 year deal he is still RFA and you get a larger sample size to evaluate him.

And he gets arbitration rights to take a 1 year deal to take him straight to UFA. Price is right loser horn for you.

This is why it was a tough negotiation in the first place, Wild needed term and Kaprizov wanted some control, not 8 years.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I’d much rather have this guy making $9mm than Marner making $10.9mm. Both are sublime players. But this isn’t an overpay. He’s 24. He’s entering his prime. You’re paying for his peak seasons with none of the 21 year old player growing pains. $9mm feels like a bargain.

There is no world where 9 million is a bargain. It might be fair. Bargain? hell no.

 

[AveryStar4Eva]

Term is more important than the cap hit here. Minnesota wanted to buy up some UFA years and they were able to do so. Minny has a couple high end rookies on ELC’s coming up as well so I doubt they are to concerned about giving a higher AAV

 

[Atas2000]

lol I don't want to hear 1 more word about Marner. 5 years, 9 million for a guy with a half a season of games. Unreal.

You will gear a lot about Marner. You are basically asking for it. Same age. Kaprizov might be the better player though...looks up their both AAV.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Fair.

But I think they do want to contend during those buyouts. The purpose was to get older players off the roster and give larger roles to their prime age guys- I'd be very surprised if they planned on not seriously competing for the next 5 season.

And they might. They have two very high end prospects in Boldy and Rossi ready (or close to ready) to step in.

If both hit the ground running in a Caufield like manner, this team is going to be real good. If one does, they'll likely be a playoff team.

 

[McJedi]

There is no world where 9 million is a bargain. It might be fair. Bargain? hell no.

We’ll see. It feels fair right now. In one or two years if he’s over PPG, will be a nice deal for the wild.

 

[ffh]

thats alot of money for an unproven player that didnt even score a point per game.