Draisaitl could move to wing in that scenario, as that's where he started his NHL career. However, the team is probably content to roll with the three centers if the absolute best offer on the table is Dumba alone- hence why likely no trade has taken place yet.
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Draisaitl could move to wing in that scenario, as that's where he started his NHL career. However, the team is probably content to roll with the three centers if the absolute best offer on the table is Dumba alone- hence why likely no trade has taken place yet.
You can have Graovac as your 3rd line center. Once again, keeping Haula. Haula is finally returning to his form from a two seasons ago. Last year he had a concussion and never really regained form.
Give me Larsson vs Brodin prior to this past season.
Give me Larsson vs Brodin prior to this past season.
Dr Jan Itor
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Here is our thought process on Haula: we don't know what he is yet, even if you think you might.
Last 50 games of the season:
50 games
13 goals (21 per 82)
21 assists (34 per 82)
If you shorten it to only include his playing in the top 9:
32 games
10 goals (26 per 82)
15 assists (38 per 82)
So that's a 55 point pace over 50 games on both the 3rd and 4th lines and a 64 point pace counting his 3rd line time exclusively. Add that to him being a top offensive player at every stop he's been at along the way: Shattuck, USHL, NCAA, AHL and now his only real legitimate stretch with talented players at the NHL level, I very much disagree with you that "we know what he his". I think we'll find out much closely to 'for sure' after this season, but that's my hesitancy in trading him right now. You can twist that into me calling him a "franchise player" if you want to, but that's my reasoning.
Great, and you can have David Musil for Ryan Suter. They're both D, right? Totally the same thing.
If by form you mean being a third line center, then sure he "regained" that. Although I find it interesting you believe that one season of relative success is par for the course with him. Sample size and all that.
Did you... did you not read the entirety of what I posted there? NHL seasons are not 200 games long. Are you confusing this sport with MLB?
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You mean even if Wild fans seem to think they do, and that it's definitely a 2C?
Wow what a commanding sample size! Those 32 games have truly convinced me he is destined to be a star player.
So does Sam Gagner have 656 point potential because he had 8 points in a game once?
And I would disagree you know what he is, or that any Wild fan does. Why aren't you criticizing those who claim he's a slam-dunk 2C? Oh, wait, I know why.
Your reasoning isn't very good.
DANOZ28
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2 seasons ago haula played through a concussion. he got hit hard gm #2 & gm#8 (or so) hes a warrior so he kept playing. as far as zucker im hoping last year was kindof a sophmore slump. we'll know this year. keep in mind zucker has mainly played 3rd line LW. not top line minutes like yak. much easier to say yak has peaked than zucker. i wont argue that brodin is better than larsson. cheers!
Dr Jan Itor
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And your reading comprehension is horrid. My very first sentence was WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE IS YET and nobody called him a "slam dunk #2C" or they shouldn't have because it would be a pretty baseless opinion at the moment, subject to change after this year.
Are you telling me that if you had a prospect that excelled offensively at every level he was at before the NHL, and then had pretty darn good stint at the NHL in his first opportunity with non-4th line players, you would still put his absolute limit as a bottom 6 player?
Just read through every post that you quoted in the thread, and the best that I could come up with is "may have 2nd line upside". Looks like you're seeing a whole lot of things that aren't there.
Never did I use a 32 or 50 games sample size to draw any concrete conclusions, all I said was that I liked what I saw in those games and would like to see another 82+ before calling him "only a 3rd line center at best".
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DANOZ28
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no chance any wild fan agrees to that. coyle is too valuable now.(to our team)
You must be starting to get it? Like, maybe I said Haula isn't available? Do you understand? Is it that hard?
He's so awful you don't even need him! Awesome! We'll keep him then.
Sigh... This is getting ridiculous.
Prior to last season (which is what I said genius):
2014-15:
Larsson 24pts 64gp (31 per 82)
Brodin 17 pts 71gp (20 per 82)
2013-14:
Larsson 3pts 26gp (9 per 82)
Brodin 19pts 79gp (19 per 82)
2012-13
Larsson 6pts 37gp (13 per 82)
Brodin 11pts 45gp (20 per 82)
Regarding Brodin bringing "much less offense than Larsson."
ManofSteel55
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Why would we do that? Larsson had a break out season last year, its where he is expected to be going forward.
Yes with the Oilers' 2017 1st coming back. You'd think the Larsson trade would prove the lack of value for Oilers' damaged goods and show how valuable young RHD are but I guess not.
Haula and Dumba will outscore RNH next year. Even if they somehow dont, add the point totals of the other 3 million in cap hit we will still have and just wonder wtf you're doing proposing something so nonsensical to a cap team. Even if you insist on calling RNH good (as in a first line center) I'd rather have three decent players for the same cap hit. Or be left with useless garbage in our bottom six and bottom pairing because we can't afford anything else. RNH is not good enough to sacrifice good depth for.
You think Dumba will sign for 1.5 million? Then he clearly isn't as good as Minny fans believe he is because any agent would be able to compare him to Brodin, Reilly, Larsson, ect
Dampland
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Trying to talk trades with Edmonton, is like clapping with one hand. 
The "Edmonton LotterOilers" team, full of TOP 5 picks, consists of players much too valuable for them to trade to any other team, as they are far superior than everyone else in the league.
(yet the Oilers consistently have one the worst records year in and year out .)
PROOF:
2006: finished 25th out of 30 teams
2007: finished 19th out of 30 teams
2008: finished 21st out of 30 teams
2009: finished 30th out of 30 teams
2010: finished 30th out of 30 teams
2011: finished 29th out of 30 teams
2012: finished 24th out of 30 teams
2013: finished 28th out of 30 teams
2014: finished 28th out of 30 teams
2015: finished 29th out of 30 teams
and Eddy fans say Minnesota fans over-value their players!!!
The "Edmonton LotterOilers" team, full of TOP 5 picks, consists of players much too valuable for them to trade to any other team, as they are far superior than everyone else in the league.
(yet the Oilers consistently have one the worst records year in and year out .)
PROOF:
2006: finished 25th out of 30 teams
2007: finished 19th out of 30 teams
2008: finished 21st out of 30 teams
2009: finished 30th out of 30 teams
2010: finished 30th out of 30 teams
2011: finished 29th out of 30 teams
2012: finished 24th out of 30 teams
2013: finished 28th out of 30 teams
2014: finished 28th out of 30 teams
2015: finished 29th out of 30 teams
and Eddy fans say Minnesota fans over-value their players!!!
Trying to talk trades with Edmonton, is like clapping with one hand.
The "Edmonton LotterOilers" team, full of TOP 5 picks, consists of players much too valuable for them to trade to any other team, as they are far superior than everyone else in the league.
(yet the Oilers consistently have one the worst records year in and year out .)
PROOF:
2006: finished 25th out of 30 teams
2007: finished 19th out of 30 teams
2008: finished 21st out of 30 teams
2009: finished 30th out of 30 teams
2010: finished 30th out of 30 teams
2011: finished 29th out of 30 teams
2012: finished 24th out of 30 teams
2013: finished 28th out of 30 teams
2014: finished 28th out of 30 teams
2015: finished 29th out of 30 teams
and Eddy fans say Minnesota fans over-value their players!!!
And yet none of this has anything to do with trying to counter the phenomenon of Wild fans overrating their players- just an attempt to deflect from that. Insulting the team shows you don't have any other argument. Everybody knows exactly what you're doing.
Hmm, interesting approach to trade valuation. So, Brandon Davidson had 11 points last year. Benoit Pouliot had 36. Iiro Pakarinen had 13. 11+36+13 = 60, which is more than Ryan Suter. Pakarinen, Pouliot and Davidson also make less than Suter combined. That means you'd accept those three for Suter, right?
Literally the very first post by a Wild fan in this thread:
Thus followed the odyssey that was Zucker > the bust Yakupov, Zucker + Haula + Dumba > Draisaitl, and the official HFBoards Summer 2016 buzzword, "trendz", which definitively demonstrates that Haula has untapped potential but the younger Nugent-Hopkins has "plateaued".
There's a whole lot of overrating going on in this thread, but it's only coming from one side. Just take a look at the desperate attempts at comedy (re: "LotterOilers") we're now getting as a means to distract from their nonsense.
Dickie Dunn
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Riiight because the Oilers are offering Letestu for Dumba
Meanwhile Minny fans are offering Pominville for Eberle retained
I didn't accuse anyone but thanks for proving the point.
You quoted a person who referred to "Edmonton trade threads". The game you're playing is pretty obvious, and it's not a very original one at that.
No. You're probably being obtuse on purpose to draw a foul so I'm not playing. Or maybe in your spastic excitement you missed the part where I said RNH isn't good enough to trade depth for? Or are you so delusional you think RNH ~ Suter in impact or skill so had to make that comparison.
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RNH would make sense with Minnesota but I think a draft pick has to be included in addition to Dumba, Zucker and Pouliot should be off the table.
Or maybe you realized your logic was flawed. But don't rush to admit that or anything.
Right, what borderline 1C is worth spare parts and bottom six forwards anyway? What a crock, can't believe Chiarelli isn't rushing to meet your pricepoint.
Let me quote you again here:
You didn't qualify that in any way, you didn't specify that it only applies to the Oilers and/or teams not named the Minnesota Wild (not that that makes sense regardless). You got caught in an attempt at fudging logic and now you're upset. Too bad for you.
It's easy enough to quote my original unedited post. Do you want me to point out where I did in fact say RNH wasn't good enough to sacrifice depth for? It's right at the end. Pretty easy to find. For a real impact player it's fine. No one is going to blink if you're talking about Hall (lol about that) or Benn, or someone else on the upper tier. RNH is not that.
Naw. That logic is only flawed when talking about a player like Suter; or a player with massive size and potential, like Draisaitl.
The "I'd rather have two decent players with potential at half the cap hit" is a perfectly viable argument when talking about 2nd line centers, like RNH.
You're being obtuse. RNH isn't worth more than a potential top 4 defender; that's why he's not on the Wild. And he certainly isn't worth a potential top pairing defender, because he isn't on the Devils or the Predators.
The only issues this thread is facing, is that there are people who are still delusional enough to think RNH holds 1C value.
The "I'd rather have two decent players with potential at half the cap hit" is a perfectly viable argument when talking about 2nd line centers, like RNH.
You're being obtuse. RNH isn't worth more than a potential top 4 defender; that's why he's not on the Wild. And he certainly isn't worth a potential top pairing defender, because he isn't on the Devils or the Predators.
The only issues this thread is facing, is that there are people who are still delusional enough to think RNH holds 1C value.
You're right, we should trade RNH for Dumba, who is at best gonna be a #5 with his hockey IQ.
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