Friedman: Miller extension unlikely with Canucks, timeline doesnt fit, and trade offers are going to be too good to pass up

[wintersej]

How close is Lysell to NHL-ready? 1-2 years?
More?



Miller (signed?)
Rathbone (Boston boy)

for

Carlo
Debrusk
Lysell
2022 1st

Ducks own the Bruins 1st. I can see Carlo, 2023 1st and another piece you might not have heard of.

I wonder how a Boston deal looks with Coyle and OEL involved.

 

[Bobby9]

Bouchard
Holloway
1st
Kassian (salary)

For

Miller 50%

 

[Diamonddog01]

Meh describes Rathbone perfectly. He’s a B- level prospect. Value is minimal. Replace him with Hoglander and Vancouver is still adding. JT Miller is a rental.

Previous reports indicate teams are intending to clear cap of Miller is available - ie they would sign him long term after acquiring him so he’s not really a rental. And you’re underrating Rathbone here - which you seem to consistently do when it comes to Canuck players / prospects.

Ducks own the Bruins 1st. I can see Carlo, 2023 1st and another piece you might not have heard of.

I wonder how a Boston deal looks with Coyle and OEL involved.

I can’t see Boston trading for OEL now…if they didn’t trade for Lindholm sure but that ship has sailed imo n

 

[Mrfenn92]

R Bouchard
Holloway
1st
Kassian (salary)

For

Miller 50%

Easy no for the oilers

 

[joestevens29]

Bouchard
Holloway
1st
Kassian (salary)

For

Miller 50%

Lol why?

 

[Cogburn]

Bouchard
Holloway
1st
Kassian (salary)

For

Miller 50%

I'm not wild about this.

Bouchard, while being RHD and a fair size to boot, has a skill set that isn't what we need. We have a PP specialist for both our powerplays, and guys like Myers, Dermott and Rathbone who are offensive minded on the roster already.

Holloway is interesting, given his versatility and age, but I don't know that he is what we need as the most attractive asset in a trade for Miller (not the most valuable, but the best fit).

Kassian could be an asset, but given the cap hit he has I don't see us wanting him as an asset, I know he's meant as a cap offset, so it's a polite no thank you, not a full on deal killer for his inclusion.

I think we can find a better fit from the Canucks side.

 

[Cancuks]

Carlo, Lysell & Studnicka for Miller 50% retained

 

[orbiter11]

These asks from Vancouver fans are unreal. There's many reasons a trading partner wouldn't give you what your asking for Miller. Its only for 1 year for starters, and the odds are whichever team he goes to will be a playoff contender they don't want to risk losing a prospect they've developed for 3 years and is cost controlled at the expense of 1 season of MIller and they also don't( if there a capped playoff team) plan on paying him 8.5 x 5 at 30 years old once the season is over . The Rangers aint giving you Schneider a player that stepped right into the Rangers blueline once his junior career was over. As a Leafs fan i would shiver at giving up Liljegren after spending 3 years developing him to be a 4,5 right handed d man for a player we cant resign. Maybe Boston would to replace Bergeron or Kreci if he agrees to an extension before hand.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Carlo, Lysell & Studnicka for Miller 50% retained

That's hefty.

 

[Cogburn]

These asks from Vancouver fans are unreal. There's many reasons a trading partner wouldn't give you what your asking for Miller. Its only for 1 year for starters, and the odds are whichever team he goes to will be a playoff contender they don't want to risk losing a prospect they've developed for 3 years and is cost controlled at the expense of 1 season of MIller and they also don't( if there a capped playoff team) plan on paying him 8.5 x 5 at 30 years old once the season is over . The Rangers aint giving you Schneider a player that stepped right into the Rangers blueline once his junior career was over. As a Leafs fan i would shiver at giving up Liljegren after spending 3 years developing him to be a 4,5 right handed d man for a player we cant resign. Maybe Boston would to replace Bergeron or Kreci if he agrees to an extension before hand.

Great, so don't offer Liljegren.

 

[wintersej]

Carlo, Lysell & Studnicka for Miller 50% retained

This is the range that would get me as the Bruins GM chain smoking cigarettes thinking about pulling the trigger. It’s a real shot to the teams D. If Bergeron isn’t coming back, harder to defend making the trade. I’d be tempted to try to swap Lysell for the 2023 first if I thought Lysell was ready for NHL duty now.

 

[ginner classic]

These asks from Vancouver fans are unreal. There's many reasons a trading partner wouldn't give you what your asking for Miller. Its only for 1 year for starters, and the odds are whichever team he goes to will be a playoff contender they don't want to risk losing a prospect they've developed for 3 years and is cost controlled at the expense of 1 season of MIller and they also don't( if there a capped playoff team) plan on paying him 8.5 x 5 at 30 years old once the season is over . The Rangers aint giving you Schneider a player that stepped right into the Rangers blueline once his junior career was over. As a Leafs fan i would shiver at giving up Liljegren after spending 3 years developing him to be a 4,5 right handed d man for a player we cant resign. Maybe Boston would to replace Bergeron or Kreci if he agrees to an extension before hand.

Ummm....who cares if he's only a rental?

He's at 5.35 full pop can function as an elite 2C, 1LW, monster on the draw, physical...I mean jeez....think of the most expensive deadline acquisition for a contender ever and now imagine you can have him at half what's he's worth in July and know that if your year goes sideways you can sell him on and recoup most of what you paid.

As a rental, which he would be for some teams, he's worth huge amount.

 

[AHLdepth]

Alright so Carlo, Lysell and some variation of a third piece seems like it's not being overly shot down by either fanbase.

Genuine question, why is a guy like Carlo available?

 

[HockeyWooot]

Wherever he ends up hope he goes to a cup contender. Hes a helluva player

 

[Diamonddog01]

Alright so Carlo, Lysell and some variation of a third piece seems like it's not being overly shot down by either fanbase.

Genuine question, why is a guy like Carlo available?

In reading comments on the Bruins board it seems he had a poor season (may be dealing with PCS). Also Lindholm is a better shutdown defender…despite being a LD I guess some feel that makes Carlo redundant or expendable

 

[Bubbles]

This sounds like another rebuild for Vancouver.

There never was one. Thanks Jim!

 

[VancouverJagger]

Sign me up for Carlo and Lysell and second or better...........I think that represents good value for both teams even thou Van would love a first personally I would settle for a second with those other 2 pieces.

 

[wintersej]

In reading comments on the Bruins board it seems he had a poor season (may be dealing with PCS). Also Lindholm is a better shutdown defender…despite being a LD I guess some feel that makes Carlo redundant or expendable

Just one fans take here, but to add some nuance…

I don’t think Carlo had a poor season by any means. He is a very good defender. Full stop. Very good.

He also is far far below average with the puck in all three zones and the Bruins are one of the worst teams in hockey at generating offense from the backend. His lack of offense is exacerbated on Boston.

Carlo was at his best playing with Krug. Krug could handle all the puck moving and offensive duties and Carlo was there to cover his ass in those times they did get hemmed in or Krug got caught too far up the ice. That 1.89 GA/60 average those two had over 1200 minutes together over multiple seasons wasn’t by accident.

So I wouldn’t say Carlo is available so much as it’s obvious that he would be a great fit for the Canucks and Hughes more than he is a fit in Boston right now and Bruins fans know they have to give to get.

Carlo is an excellent excellent role player that doesn’t have the right role in Boston anymore and, frustratingly, has not grown into some Slavin-light like we were all hoping. That’s really where all the hate comes from, that he didn’t develop offensively ENOUGH to not need puck moving help. And now, without the elite puck moving help, he needs to defend a f*** load more…which eventually leads to mistakes.

The Bruins including Carlo would be something that other suitors with better prospects and picks wouldn’t be able to match. But, it also explains why Bruins fans are loathe to include multiple good futures on top of Carlo. A Hughes/Carlo pairing is the centerpiece of a Boston offer and losing Carlo, despite the imperfect fit, would really blow up their backend. It is probably in need of a retool to get some more offense back there, and the Bruins would need to be able to still have pieces to address that.

 

[wintersej]

Sign me up for Carlo and Lysell and second or better...........I think that represents good value for both teams even thou Van would love a first personally I would settle for a second with those other 2 pieces.

Why Lysell over 2023 first? It seems like Vancouver is pretty set at RW and the Bruins do need the help at RW with DeBrusk wanting out and Smith being a year from UFA and getting to be over the hill. Is it just because y’all followed the Giants playoff run?

 

[Peter Griffin]

Acquiring Carlo in a Miller trade is likely what JR and Co would be interested in given their mandate to try to turn things around in the short term. Personally, I'd prefer to find a younger, less proven piece as the centerpiece that has the future ability to anchor his own pairing, not just compliment Hughes.

 

[Djp]

Acquiring Carlo in a Miller trade is likely what JR and Co would be interested in given their mandate to try to turn things around in the short term. Personally, I'd prefer to find a younger, less proven piece as the centerpiece that has the future ability to anchor his own pairing, not just compliment Hughes.

A team isn’t giving up something like that fir a rental at the age of Miller

 

[Peter Griffin]

A team isn’t giving up something like that fir a rental at the age of Miller

Sure they would. I'm not talking about a proven, young player, I'm talking about a prospect with a higher upside than Brandon Carlo. That's not a tall ask.

 

[Djp]

Sure they would. I'm not talking about a proven, young player, I'm talking about a prospect with a higher upside than Brandon Carlo. That's not a tall ask.

a player who was a top 20 pick recently drafted who is a prospect or on an ELC

teams are not giving that up For rentals

 

[Bettman Returnz]

a player who was a top 20 pick recently drafted who is a prospect or on an ELC

teams are not giving that up For rentals

Which is why it could be a sign and trade situation… doesn’t have to just be a “rental” deal.

 

[Peter Griffin]

a player who was a top 20 pick recently drafted who is a prospect or on an ELC

teams are not giving that up For rentals

Your fellow Bruin’s fans are offering up Lysell+ in a trade. I’m suggesting the Canucks would be better suited trading with another organization where the central return is the defensive equivalent of Lysell.