Friedman: Miller extension unlikely with Canucks, timeline doesnt fit, and trade offers are going to be too good to pass up

[VancouverJagger]

Boston far and away is the most logical landing spot for Miller. An early exit coupled with a soon retiring Bergeron leaves them in dire need of an all situations #1C. Miller fits the bill better than any available player.

Boston will have the cap space and desire to trade for an extended Miller. As his contract fits perfectly with their competitive window. Miller keeps them in cup contention for the next 4-5 years. Some other smart moves and Boston could bring home another cup with Miller manning the 1C spot.

And most importantly to us Canucks fans, Boston will need to beat out all the teams offering up rental packages for Miller. Which, given we can eat half his salary leaving him at a paltry $2.65m for the year, would mean almost every contending team would be willing to move some cap and make an offer on Miller to put them over the top. All of the top teams.

So Boston needs to outbid the contending team bidding war. And they have the assets to do it. Some very enticing pieces from Boston.
This is the trade I think is gonna happen.

Brandon Carlo
Fabian Lysell
2023 1st

This is an absolutely monster package from Boston. The real sticking point is the 2023 1st. Boston isn’t gonna wanna part with that, but they don’t have a 2nd in 2023. And without the pick, they just aren’t gonna land Miller.

Without that 1st in 2023, Boston doesn’t get their guy. So I see them caving.

Carlo is a younger, better Tanev. Right age. He is what the Canucks need. A partner for Hughes. That’s their top pairing for the next decade. He’s also more valuable to Vancouver than to Boston. Boston is just losing a shutdown D who doesn’t provide a ton of offence or transition. That’s the kind of production you can replace with cheap veterans or FA signings. Vancouver gets Hughes his career partner.

Lysell is a speedy 1st round draft pick who is trending very very well. He was the fastest and arguably best skater in his entire draft year. Rutherford said he wanted some speed, well here you go. Only knock is he doesn’t have the size or the sandpaper Rutherford wants to go along with the speed.

2023 1st. This is ideal. 2022 is a terrible draft class according to the experts. Who universally agree that 2023 is miles better. This pick goes a long way to restocking Vancouver’s barren cupboards. Something we badly needs.

It’s a perfect trade for both teams. Boston will be very unhappy about losing 1st rounders consecutive years, but when you’re chasing a cup sometimes you need to be bold. They are way too good to rebuild, and there’s just no realistic way to replace Bergeron. Miller is a godsend for them.

It just makes too much sense. At least to me. Maybe Vancouver needs to add a + to Miller to get it done, but that’s the deal I see happening.

Sign me up I'm in........

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Makes sense. Nucks still at least a few years out and need picks and young assets.

 

[TBF1972]

1. New Jersey's 2022-1st (2nd OA), and Severson........for.........Miller, Myers and Vancouver's 2022-1st (15th OA)

no thanks

and there is no counter proposal

 

[kinghock]

To Vancouver: Akil Thomas, Brock Faber, 2022 1st
To LA: Miller @ 50%

To Vancouver: Kent Johnson
To Columbus: Miller @ 50%

To Vancouver: Braden Schneider, Will Cuylle, 2022 1st
To NYR: Miller @ 50%

Did I do it right?

To Vancouver: Kopitar and 2nd
To LA: Miller

This is the only one trade for Miller which makes sense for LA

 

[McJedi]

OK.....JR wants to make a splash,,,,,,,,,,here is a tidal wave!

1. New Jersey's 2022-1st (2nd OA), and Severson........for.........Miller, Myers and Vancouver's 2022-1st (15th OA)

2. New Islander's 2022-1st (13 OA), and Ryan Pullock........for.......Miller 50% and Myers

3. Columbus's 2022-1st (6th OA), Ceulemans, and 2023-2nd for Miller

4. Toronto Liljegren, Knies, and 2022-1st (24th OA) and 2024-2nd for Miller 50%

5. LA 2022-1st (19th), Brock Faber, Matt Roy, and 2022-2nd 41 OA) for Miller and Garland

6. NY Rangers 2022-1st, (23), Lundkvist, and Brennan Othmann for Miller

You’re going to be disappointed in the return for JT Miller if you think these are value equal trades.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

To Vancouver: Kopitar and 2nd
To LA: Miller

This is the only one trade for Miller which makes sense for LA

Just no…

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Your clueless about the leafs prospects if you think they are the worst league wide. Speaking so confidently and arrogantly while at the same time being so ignorant is quite the accomplishment.

You are being trolled and you fell for it. Nobody actually believes the Leafs have the league's worst prospect pool

 

[ginner classic]

Carolina would be a very good fit if they are interested.

They are a great fit if they abandon the management philosophy they've used for the last five years. Rentals are not their thing. That said, they hunt asymmetric advantages and a salary retained Miller certainly fits that. I am not sure they are going to have a lot of confidence in Necas. Domi and Niedereiter likely gone. Jarvis still on a cheap deal for two years. I could see them picking up Miller as a rental. But it'd be out of character for them to target him as a candidate to re-sign. Morrow and Necas are a well suited package. I think I'd want to get a second rounder or a couple mid rounder in there too.

(I also lay claim to being the first to ever suggest it anywhere...and Braeden Schneider for Miller to be honest)

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[PlayMakers]

What's the story with his sometimes, indifferent defensive play? He has very poor underlying defensive numbers for a guy with the tools to be a good defensive player.

Also, what's the story with his attitude? He seems like a passionate leader at times, and then other times he does incredibly selfish things like call out teammates or can't be bothered to hustle to the bench in a 3on3 OT because he didn't like a non-call, (while the other team scores the winning goal.)

 

[Fatass]

What's the story with his sometimes, indifferent defensive play? He has very poor underlying defensive numbers for a guy with the tools to be a good defensive player.

Also, what's the story with his attitude? He seems like a passionate leader at times, and then other times he does incredibly selfish things like call out teammates or can't be bothered to hustle to the bench in a 3on3 OT because he didn't like a non-call, (while the other team scores the winning goal.)

Yup. Miller is definitely super skill, big, and passionate. Hearing connections to a couple Eastern teams as potential landing spots in trade. Philly and Boston.

 

[PlayMakers]

Yup. Miller is definitely super skill, big, and passionate. Hearing connections to a couple Eastern teams as potential landing spots in trade. Philly and Boston.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

 

[im gangster]

One thing I will say is that I wish the Canucks blew assets on a last piece in 2011, even if it was just for one season.

Don't need to try and compete every year, just need to go all-in and get it once.

You’re literally on a site started based on principals opposite to what you’re saying here.

 

[AHLdepth]

Yup. Miller is definitely super skill, big, and passionate. Hearing connections to a couple Eastern teams as potential landing spots in trade. Philly and Boston.

 

[wintersej]

Boston far and away is the most logical landing spot for Miller. An early exit coupled with a soon retiring Bergeron leaves them in dire need of an all situations #1C. Miller fits the bill better than any available player.

Boston will have the cap space and desire to trade for an extended Miller. As his contract fits perfectly with their competitive window. Miller keeps them in cup contention for the next 4-5 years. Some other smart moves and Boston could bring home another cup with Miller manning the 1C spot.

And most importantly to us Canucks fans, Boston will need to beat out all the teams offering up rental packages for Miller. Which, given we can eat half his salary leaving him at a paltry $2.65m for the year, would mean almost every contending team would be willing to move some cap and make an offer on Miller to put them over the top. All of the top teams.

So Boston needs to outbid the contending team bidding war. And they have the assets to do it. Some very enticing pieces from Boston.
This is the trade I think is gonna happen.

Brandon Carlo
Fabian Lysell
2023 1st

This is an absolutely monster package from Boston. The real sticking point is the 2023 1st. Boston isn’t gonna wanna part with that, but they don’t have a 2nd in 2023. And without the pick, they just aren’t gonna land Miller.

Without that 1st in 2023, Boston doesn’t get their guy. So I see them caving.

Carlo is a younger, better Tanev. Right age. He is what the Canucks need. A partner for Hughes. That’s their top pairing for the next decade. He’s also more valuable to Vancouver than to Boston. Boston is just losing a shutdown D who doesn’t provide a ton of offence or transition. That’s the kind of production you can replace with cheap veterans or FA signings. Vancouver gets Hughes his career partner.

Lysell is a speedy 1st round draft pick who is trending very very well. He was the fastest and arguably best skater in his entire draft year. Rutherford said he wanted some speed, well here you go. Only knock is he doesn’t have the size or the sandpaper Rutherford wants to go along with the speed.

2023 1st. This is ideal. 2022 is a terrible draft class according to the experts. Who universally agree that 2023 is miles better. This pick goes a long way to restocking Vancouver’s barren cupboards. Something we badly needs.

It’s a perfect trade for both teams. Boston will be very unhappy about losing 1st rounders consecutive years, but when you’re chasing a cup sometimes you need to be bold. They are way too good to rebuild, and there’s just no realistic way to replace Bergeron. Miller is a godsend for them.

It just makes too much sense. At least to me. Maybe Vancouver needs to add a + to Miller to get it done, but that’s the deal I see happening.

I just don’t think the Bruins can give up all three of those pieces. That would be three firsts lost in a row. I understand a deal is going to hurt. Carlo is a big hurt to the roster (but worth it when you have McAvoy also on RD). Don’t think they could do Lysell and the 1st. They obviously have to part with one of them, but they can’t both.

 

[Fatass]

I just don’t think the Bruins can give up all three of those pieces. That would be three firsts lost in a row. I understand a deal is going to hurt. Carlo is a big hurt to the roster (but worth it when you have McAvoy also on RD). Don’t think they could do Lysell and the 1st. They obviously have to part with one of them, but they can’t both.

What if the Canucks added to Miller?
Miller + for Carlo, Lysel, first.

 

[PlayMakers]

What if the Canucks added to Miller?
Miller + for Carlo, Lysel, first.

I think the Bruins would rather replace one of Lysell or the 1st with DeBrusk.

Carlo and DeBrusk are both 25 and signed to affordable deals.

 

[Fatass]

I think the Bruins would rather replace one of Lysell or the 1st with DeBrusk.

Carlo and DeBrusk are both 25 and signed to affordable deals.

If the Bruins offered Carlo, Lysel, Debrusk for Miller I’d be thinking the Canucks would have to accept that. I don’t know if Boston would pay that much for a rental (Miller is a UFA July 2023) though.
Might be just Carlo + Lysel for Miller.

 

[Grantham]

What's the story with his sometimes, indifferent defensive play? He has very poor underlying defensive numbers for a guy with the tools to be a good defensive player.

Also, what's the story with his attitude? He seems like a passionate leader at times, and then other times he does incredibly selfish things like call out teammates or can't be bothered to hustle to the bench in a 3on3 OT because he didn't like a non-call, (while the other team scores the winning goal.)

Yes he can sulk if things aren't going his way. Under Bruce and new management he's been much better at that, and channeling his frustrations better. You'll still hear him dropping f-bombs when he's mad like a drunken sailer.

He is generally quite good defensively. But he carries our offence, so he can't do both equally well all the time. He's a good teammate and stands up for them. Doesn't call out players and will squash false press circulated rumours.

He's well liked by his teammates. He wears his heart on his sleeve but is learning to not have that be a weakness. Every Canuck fan I know would love to keep him if we were in any sort of contention or competitive window, but alas we are not even close.

 

[EverTheCynic]

If the Bruins offered Carlo, Lysel, Debrusk for Miller I’d be thinking the Canucks would have to accept that. I don’t know if Boston would pay that much for a rental (Miller is a UFA July 2023) though.
Might be just Carlo + Lysel for Miller.

Carlo and Lysell is close in value for an extended Miller (whether we do that, or give Boston permission to negotiate a contract with him).

But to me its not quite there. Miller had 30 more points than the 2nd best Canucks player. He is very good.

If Boston swaps their 2023 1st for our 2023 2nd in the trade, I feel like that would seal the deal. Moving up 15 or so spots in the draft would be enough value for me, personally.

 

[nergish]

How close is Lysell to NHL-ready? 1-2 years?
More?



Miller (signed?)
Rathbone (Boston boy)

for

Carlo
Debrusk
Lysell
2022 1st

 

[Gstank]

How close is Lysell to NHL-ready? 1-2 years?
More?



Miller (signed?)
Rathbone (Boston boy)

for

Carlo
Debrusk
Lysell
2022 1st

Thats overpayment by Boston.

Lysell is probably 2-3 years away. He should play another year of junior and at least 1 season in the AHL

 

[nergish]

Thats overpayment by Boston.

Lysell is probably 2-3 years away. He should play another year of junior and at least 1 season in the AHL

Meh, Rathbone is Van’s best prospect. Probably gets 25 points next year…

JT probably ends up being Boston’s leading scorer. I think that hodge-podge return is pretty fair.

 

[EverTheCynic]

I just don’t think the Bruins can give up all three of those pieces. That would be three firsts lost in a row. I understand a deal is going to hurt. Carlo is a big hurt to the roster (but worth it when you have McAvoy also on RD). Don’t think they could do Lysell and the 1st. They obviously have to part with one of them, but they can’t both.

Yeah I agree. That’s what I would push for. But I’m willing to add our 2023 2nd to Miller. So Boston is just dropping 15ish spots in the draft, not losing the pick outright.

I agree if those 3 pieces are the ask, Boston will look elsewhere. But for Miller+2nd? It’s the best player they’re gonna get, and they’re already committed to competing now with how many futures they’ve given up.

I think it can work for both teams

 

[wintersej]

Thats overpayment by Boston.

Lysell is probably 2-3 years away. He should play another year of junior and at least 1 season in the AHL

He is playing for Providence next season with a chance to make the big roster. He isnt going back to juniors.

 

[McJedi]

Meh, Rathbone is Van’s best prospect. Probably gets 25 points next year…

JT probably ends up being Boston’s leading scorer. I think that hodge-podge return is pretty fair.

Meh describes Rathbone perfectly. He’s a B- level prospect. Value is minimal. Replace him with Hoglander and Vancouver is still adding. JT Miller is a rental.