Post-Game Talk: Mild

[80shockeywasbuns]

The Devils were set to take him right after us. He was highly regarded.

And now he’s highly re*arded -Chris Broussard

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

The Zibanejad line has to be broken up, point blank. Leave Panarin with Lafreniere because that seems to be actually working but he's gotta get Kakko away from Kreider and Zibanejad.

Call up Othmann when Goodrow gets back. Brodzinski sucks.

And does Ben Harpur still exist? That dude played some excellent league-minimum hockey last year and is 1000x better defensively than Jones

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The Sharks lost two straight games by giving up 10 goals and yet we still statistically had the worst performance of the season.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

The Zibanejad line has to be broken up, point blank. Leave Panarin with Lafreniere because that seems to be actually working but he's gotta get Kakko away from Kreider and Zibanejad.

Call up Othmann when Goodrow gets back. Brodzinski sucks.

And does Ben Harpur still exist? That dude played some excellent league-minimum hockey last year and is 1000x better defensively than Jones

Harpur isn’t better than Jones in any capacity other than occupying 3 dimensional space

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Harpur isn’t better than Jones in any capacity other than occupying 3 dimensional space

What were you watching last year? He was completely serviceable as a #6/7 D.

Is he going to help you? No. But he's not going to hurt you. Every time Jones has to play we get absolutely pumped and he gets brutalized. He's too small for the NHL and isn't good enough offensively to make it worth putting him in the lineup. End of story

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

What were you watching last year? He was completely serviceable as a #6/7 D.

Is he going to help you? No. But he's not going to hurt you. Every time Jones has to play we get absolutely pumped and he gets brutalized. He's too small for the NHL and isn't good enough offensively to make it worth putting him in the lineup. End of story

Just going by what actually happened on the ice last year Jones got much better results

 

[egelband]

On top of missing three regulars, I’d say the team was essentially down a man or scrambling/recovering from being down a man for like a quarter of the match. Not saying it wasn’t self-inflicted, just saying it’s not a real representation this team. Not that many games are, but this one was pretty extreme.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

BTW, Kreider is a cheat code. If he's healthy he'll score 40 without breaking a sweat and these are big goals too.

 

[2014nyr]

Considering Fox and Chytil will be out a long f***ing time none of that matters. We looked like we'll be giving the Sharks a run for their money tonight. Fox is an amazing player he's not THAT good.



They were gassed against Winnipeg, probably a better team than the Wild and put in a respectable effort.

yea they're gonna miss a few games, this is also the first game with guys knowing that and taking on new roles with different players. that matters. besides, the larger issue is the schedule and it's compounding effect when you spend 2 weeks out west, come back for 2 days, then immediately head back out west. been a lot of hockey and a lot of travel, these guys aren't robots.

beyond that, this is an 82 game season. every single team in the league is gonna have duds, even in the best of circumstances health/schedule wise. nobody goes 82-0. there are nights you just don't have it. there's another nhl team on the ice that has professional athletes and they want to win too. even the worst teams...well aside from san jose...have a roster of players that are damn good at what they do...like among the best in the world good. this minn team has high expectations and is off to an awful start...they were desperate for a win. you simply can't always be the better and more desperate team 82 straight games - human nature won't allow for it physically or mentally. extrapolating a 1 game performance, especially doing so and not accounting for the realities of both teams involved in it, is pointless. whether it's great game, terrible game, and every kinda game/result in between, 1 game tells you essentially nothing.

 

[2014nyr]

If they lose in reg & don't blow a 3-0 lead I'd agree

You are handed 3-0 & blow it?

That says a lot about your "team"

@PuckLuck3043 this is for you also

a 1 regular season game sample size says nothing about your team good or bad. it's not like they were bulldozing the wild for a period and a half and built up a 3-0 lead. they scored 3 goals on 4 shots in 7 minutes, then the wild were given a pp for the rest of the period and the game took on a weird dynamic. so they blew the 3-0 lead, fine. then they went down 4-3 in the 3rd. a ton of teams pack it in right there, they're mentally cooked. the rangers did find a way to get one more and salvage a point from there. if we're using a 1 game sample size to define them shouldn't you factor that in? ignoring that is sort of deliberately focusing on what to criticize or complain about.

like i've said, this game had everything going against the rangers from the jump. getting a point out of it, however it played out, is not nothing. it's really the only thing of significance about this game by the time the season is over. they're gonna get thumped a couple times. they're gonna smoke some teams. neither will tell you more about the team. after 11 games, 8-2-1 overall is a fantastic spot to be in. if you're going to try and define the team at game 11, the big picture is the only thing you can use to do so.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

The Zibanejad line has to be broken up, point blank. Leave Panarin with Lafreniere because that seems to be actually working but he's gotta get Kakko away from Kreider and Zibanejad.

Call up Othmann when Goodrow gets back. Brodzinski sucks.

And does Ben Harpur still exist? That dude played some excellent league-minimum hockey last year and is 1000x better defensively than Jones

Ben Harpur was injured in the Phantom game. Did not dress last night against Utica.

 

[Slaydagnar]

Too many games with a box score of 0s, he’s not doing anything

Neither KK or Laf shot the puck enough
They both need to be taking 3-4-5 shots a night but that’s not in these guys DNA

Instead they skate the perimeter
Neither of them have the balls to drive play and actually go the net. Pitiful
It’s lack of character and will and hockey sense. Both softies. Laf shows moments of inspiration but is just too damn lazy KK is about to be demoted.

Kakko also needs a mean streak guy is just too nice and gets beaten up on every scrum around the net.

 

[rangersfansince08]

We're 8-2-1 by 9 of those games we're with Fox.

BTW, we will really miss Kreider when he retires. He's an all time great at a very useful skill.

Indeed we will miss Kreider although I wish he was still better 5 on 5. He has the talent to be putting up PPG seasons imo

I really like Kakko but if he doesn't start to make things happen and produce, he could be on his way out of town. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see Drury dangle him at this point and see what's out there, I'm just getting worried Kakko isnt going to be the player the Rangers need him to be. I feel like he could be a Val Nichusken who eventually figures it out later in his career after a disappointing start.

he doesn't have the attitude to figure it out imo

 

[IronBloodedLion]

I’ve beaten Kakko’s drum a lot, but I’m really disappointed in him. It looked like he was just had it figured out, but he’s been bad.

That line in general just doesn’t work. Kreider and Zibanejad’s chemistry off the ice is better than on the ice. Considering that line and the 3rd line are struggling it wouldn’t be a bad idea to shake them up.

 

[leetch99]

Minny has a ton of depth up front, love their 4 lines up front

Plus they have a tremendous mix of styles ! Foligno OWNED Lindgren all night.....made him a part of the boards many times and just had his way with the Ranger team for the most part ....unchecked ! It's sad watching guys played scared when he was out on the ice . Poor Kakko ...you could see his feathers grow when Foligno was near . Too bad Kreider was not bigger - faster - stronger such that he could wrestle him into submission make him say give at least ! LMAO....soft team Rangers .

 

[Tob]

I don't have all the answers on kakko to know if 11 games with a cold af zibanejad is enough for a try out for kakko but I think it's time this organization admitted to themselves Kakko is a 3rd liner.

Move a former offensive dynamo like Wheeler up to the KZW line and I bet wheeler will have the offensive IQ to create more chances. He's shown flashes despite his speed and grit being underwhelming.

It'll make the bottom 6 better with Kakko spinning in a circle limiting events for both sides.

Trade Schneider for the best package available and start dumpster diving and good will hunting for a #6D

 

[romba]

So Kakko on the top line is playing top Ds and he can’t handle it. His strength and balance are not good enough and his confidence is completely shot once again, even when he wins a puck battle with 1000% effort along the boards the opposition is right on top of him to win the next engagement. Best he can do then is try to push a bouncing puck to a covered teammate. Trouba has better vision and boards presence in the o zone smdh

 

[DialUp]

A team just has to be quick and not full of Gautier's to give NYR fits.

 

[rangersfansince08]

So Kakko on the top line is playing top Ds and he can’t handle it. His strength and balance are not good enough and his confidence is completely shot once again, even when he wins a puck battle with 1000% effort along the boards the opposition is right on top of him to win the next engagement. Best he can do then is try to push a bouncing puck to a covered teammate. Trouba has better vision and boards presence in the o zone smdh

Trouba exceeds Kakko in every offensive skill really. Kakko could never do with Trouba did to set up Cullye against Carolina

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

A team just has to be quick and not full of Gautier's to give NYR fits.

Yeah this isn’t true lol.

They were banged up and played like shit. When that happens most teams look bad.

Minnesota isn’t even that quick so that murders this theory.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Focusing on the depth players is really missing the forest for the trees IMO. This same core group of players has been dummied at 5v5 for years now regardless of the supporting cast. That’s the problem.

Sure but Brodzinski and Jones were a lot of the reason we got hemmed in at times last night and it changes the game if you are continually locked into your own end while your better players are stuck on the bench, not to mention Quick started the game strong, you give minny 2 and a half mins in our own end and you wear the goalie down. 5 on 5 Kreider and Zib shouldn't play together, that's the beginning and end of the convo, they are good on the pp and pk together but a line that gets that much time together needs to find the net 5 on 5.

 

[kovazub94]

It not just being down 2 important players. They were exhausted. They come back from a 5 game western road trip, play 1 game against a tough division opponent, and then have to fly to Minny. These are human beings and that's a difficult schedule. What is so fing hard to understand about this? They were bad tonight. Take the point and move on.

Give these posters a break. They were waiting for 6 long games to really rip into this team as a whole and / or certain players so facts and circumstances are completely irrelevant.

Personally I’m happy with the team earning a point.

 

[duhmetreE]

I've been saying it from the beginning... I do not like how we execute the 1-3-1.

I DESPISE how we get passive and concede the entire neutral zone. I do not know if these are old habits dying hard and there's a disconnect. Lavi always says how he wants everyone to be more aggressive, I do not see that. Once we get a lead, we look like a Gallant team in transition. It would be 1v3, 2 defenseman are back and a backpressure from a forward and they will concede all the way to the blueline. I do not get it.

We desperately need another puck mover. We are heavily reliant on Fox, but it's the modern era, EVERY TEAM is reliant on their best player.

The 4th lines major issue is their first few steps look like @EdJovanovski skating backwards. They physically cannot get out of our zone without being swarmed. The only survival method is to block the barrage of shots coming in, ( might as well call them the Iron Dome line ) or dump the puck out and pray it's not an icing.

We need WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more from Zibs and Trocheck at 5v5. Zibs needs some 1on1 coaching. He is absolutely lost in the O-Zone. Our 1C is too soft and play killer.... spare me the stats

 

[Levitate]

was a terrible defensive effort with players running around all over the place, let them walk through the neutral zone over and over, and no clue how to make a breakout pass. Hope the coaching staff grills them over this one.
They thought it was gonna be a laugher and then got their shit kicked in.

Problem I'm seeing with Zibanejad and Kreider's line is again, now they're in their heads and none of the three of them are using the others correctly when cycling or anything. There's no gameplan with those guys, they don't know where to be, it's ugly. It should be fixable but you have to know where to pass the puck to your teammates and they're not showing any of that, not getting to the middle of the ice, and the only one winning board battles is Kakko who then has no one to move the puck to.

well whatever, onward, they just need to clean it up and remember there are no easy games

 

[duhmetreE]

The Zibanejad line has to be broken up, point blank. Leave Panarin with Lafreniere because that seems to be actually working but he's gotta get Kakko away from Kreider and Zibanejad.

Call up Othmann when Goodrow gets back. Brodzinski sucks.

And does Ben Harpur still exist? That dude played some excellent league-minimum hockey last year and is 1000x better defensively than Jones

Kreider and Kakko can work if they have a center that's not soft. Kreider Trocheck Kakko can work and still be a 'matchup' line.

Panarin Zibs Laffy could be an actual scoring line. We need to get Zibs going/flowing. He's lost right now