Proposal: Mikhail Sergachev+ for Nathan MacKinnon

[Legend123]

kessel, Seguin top 5 picks

lucic in the 2nd round

BRad MArchand in the third.

dougie hamilton

Pastarnak 25th overall


not too shabby. why does he suck?

mcdavid was obvious

thats the general excuse for him having Sergs rated #4 in the draft.

 

[Breakers]

kessel, Seguin top 5 picks

lucic in the 2nd round

BRad MArchand in the third.

dougie hamilton

Pastarnak 25th overall


not too shabby. why does he suck?

mcdavid was obvious

2006
Kessel ---------GP 708
Alexandrov ----GP 0
Lucic -----------GP 605
Marchand ------GP 411
Bodnarchuk ----GP 22
Nelson ----------GP 0
2007
Hamill ----------GP 20
Cross -----------GP 3
Reul ------------GP 0
Goulet ----------GP 0
Ostricill ---------GP 0
Knackstedt -----GP 0
2008
Colborne -------GP 194
Sauve ----------GP 0
Hutchinson -----GP 58
Arniel -----------GP 1
Tremblay -------GP 0
Goggin ----------GP 0
2009
Caron -----------GP 157
Button ----------GP 0
Macdermid ------GP 10
Randall ----------GP 0
Sexton ----------GP 0
2010
Seguin ----------GP 396
Knight ----------GP 0
Spooner --------GP 90
Cunningham ---GP 40
Florek -----------GP 0
McIntyre --------GP 0
Trotman ---------GP 0
Chudinov --------GP 0
2011
Hamilton --------GP 217
Khocklachev ----GP 9
Camera ---------GP 0
Ferlin ------------GP 0
O'Gara -----------GP 0
Vorden -----------GP 0
2012
Subban ----------GP 1
Gryxelchek ------GP 0
Griffith -----------GP 32
Payne ------------GP 0
Benning --------- GP 0
Hargrove ---------GP 0
2013
Arnesson ---------GP 0
Cehlarik ----------GP 0
Fitzgerald --------GP 0
Blidh -------------GP 0
Sherman ---------GP 0
Dempsey ---------GP 0

 

[CHaracter79]

2006
Kessel ---------GP 708
Alexandrov ----GP 0
Lucic -----------GP 605
Marchand ------GP 411
Bodnarchuk ----GP 22
Nelson ----------GP 0
2007
Hamill ----------GP 20
Cross -----------GP 3
Reul ------------GP 0
Goulet ----------GP 0
Ostricill ---------GP 0
Knackstedt -----GP 0
2008
Colborne -------GP 194
Sauve ----------GP 0
Hutchinson -----GP 58
Arniel -----------GP 1
Tremblay -------GP 0
Goggin ----------GP 0
2009
Caron -----------GP 157
Button ----------GP 0
Macdermid ------GP 10
Randall ----------GP 0
Sexton ----------GP 0
2010
Seguin ----------GP 396
Knight ----------GP 0
Spooner --------GP 90
Cunningham ---GP 40
Florek -----------GP 0
McIntyre --------GP 0
Trotman ---------GP 0
Chudinov --------GP 0
2011
Hamilton --------GP 217
Khocklachev ----GP 9
Camera ---------GP 0
Ferlin ------------GP 0
O'Gara -----------GP 0
Vorden -----------GP 0
2012
Subban ----------GP 1
Gryxelchek ------GP 0
Griffith -----------GP 32
Payne ------------GP 0
Benning --------- GP 0
Hargrove ---------GP 0
2013
Arnesson ---------GP 0
Cehlarik ----------GP 0
Fitzgerald --------GP 0
Blidh -------------GP 0
Sherman ---------GP 0
Dempsey ---------GP 0

if my gm selected

lucic, brad marchand, kessel, seguin, dougie hamilton david pastarnak in a 7 year span... i would be ecstatic.


habs have more GP by player then that.

but we could sure use seguin marchand, kessel or lucic.

its about quality.

dont forget that one of those years he had no 1st and only 2 were top ten.


wanna see a bad example

do thesame excercise with the maple leafs in the same time span


and they had 4 top 10s another top 15


and while youre at it do the Canucks and dallas stars or Arizona or montreal

 

[bbob]

the trade should be around patches cause I think there is too much pressure for him

Col: patches, Beaulieu/petry/1st
Mtl: Mackinnon, pick/prospect

Habs better need is to solve the #1#2C, wingers easier to get. Col gets a top scorer & solve problem on d with a top3 d or 1st. I think this close & fair

 

[Legend123]

the trade should be around patches cause I think there is too much pressure for him

Col: patches, Beaulieu/petry/1st
Mtl: Mackinnon, pick/prospect

Habs better need is to solve the #1#2C, wingers easier to get. Col gets a top scorer & solve problem on d with a top3 d or 1st. I think this close & fair

so u suggest glutting our LW position as well as our top 4 D (Petry)? Bad

 

[CHaracter79]

so u suggest glutting our LW position as well as our top 4 D (Petry)? Bad

agreed

if you want to get better you have to improve your team by making a trade.

either right now.. or down the line

its rare that two teams trade two top players without many futures involved

most trades are usually made between a team in transistion and a contender.

you rarely see two contenders swap top ten plyers

its just not logical.

if a team is looking to go for it all.. they will try to mortgage a b it of the future to do so.

 

[Breakers]

if my gm selected

lucic, brad marchand, kessel, seguin, dougie hamilton david pastarnak in a 7 year span... i would be ecstatic.


habs have more GP by player then that.

but we could sure use seguin marchand, kessel or lucic.

its about quality.

dont forget that one of those years he had no 1st and only 2 were top ten.


wanna see a bad example

do thesame excercise with the maple leafs in the same time span


and they had 4 top 10s another top 15


and while youre at it do the Canucks and dallas stars or Arizona or montreal

it's a 9 year span for one

and he screwed up Hamill who was top 10, Subban sucks, colborne is average, caron is garbage and he can't find players in later rounds except for his first year on the job.

and he trades away really good players which means he is even worse at evaluating talent.

 

[CHaracter79]

it's a 9 year span for one

and he screwed up Hamill who was top 10, Subban sucks, colborne is average, caron is garbage and he can't find players in later rounds except for his first year on the job.

and he trades away really good players which means he is even worse at evaluating talent.

liek i said look around the league and youll see much inferior results. trades have nothing to do with this discussion you said he sucks at drafting.. which is still wrong... scouts are usually the ones that have the higher word in picks.

I still dont see how this means habs fans overvalued Sergachev. a kid who didnt even turn 18 til the day he got drafted.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Habs would have to add to the deal but it's not Galchenyuk. More like Serge and Scherbak + draft pick.

Regardless, it doesn't work for both teams. Habs need Serge for the future and why would Colorado ever trade Mckinnon? He's a future superstar in the league. I am surprised he hasn't played up to the level he has in the World Cup though.

 

[CHaracter79]

Habs would have to add to the deal but it's not Galchenyuk. More like Serge and Scherbak + draft pick.

Regardless, it doesn't work for both teams. Habs need Serge for the future and why would Colorado ever trade Mckinnon? He's a future superstar in the league. I am surprised he hasn't played up to the level he has in the World Cup though.

maybe the players he is playing with arent helping who knows

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

it's a 9 year span for one

and he screwed up Hamill who was top 10, Subban sucks, colborne is average, caron is garbage and he can't find players in later rounds except for his first year on the job.

and he trades away really good players which means he is even worse at evaluating talent.

He helped put together a team that won a Stanley cup, if that's failure, I wonder what you consider success.

 

[beowulf]

Sorry but I just cant see how anyone can expect Galchenyuk AND Sergechev for Mac.

I at this point I don't see mckinnon get galchenyuk let alone another prospect.

 

[mariolemieux66]

Yeah i dont think the difference between Galchenyuk and MacKinnon is huge if there is even any difference. Some might think Galchenyuk holds more value.

 

[CHaracter79]

I at this point I don't see mckinnon get galchenyuk let alone another prospect.

ya but youre a habs fan.

 

[mariolemieux66]

the trade should be around patches cause I think there is too much pressure for him

Col: patches, Beaulieu/petry/1st
Mtl: Mackinnon, pick/prospect

Habs better need is to solve the #1#2C, wingers easier to get. Col gets a top scorer & solve problem on d with a top3 d or 1st. I think this close & fair

That is a bad trade for Montreal.

 

[TeddyBare]

He helped put together a team that won a Stanley cup, if that's failure, I wonder what you consider success.

That still doesn't omit the fact that he sucks at drafting and traded away really good talent.

 

[Legend123]

That still doesn't omit the fact that he sucks at drafting and traded away really good talent.

keep saying that lol, he built a stanley cup team thru the draft. He sucks at drafting

 

[CHaracter79]

That still doesn't omit the fact that he sucks at drafting and traded away really good talent.

trade away good talent yes

drafting and depth moves no

liek i said look at the top end talent he drafted in 10 years and compare to many teams.

only two top 10 picks.

its ridiculous

Seguin, Kessel, Lucic, Marchand,Hamilton PAstarnak and SPooner are all great or solid players.

 

[Rorschach]

MacKinnon is a player you trade only if you have a crazy upgrade or someone puts a gun to your head. A potential #1C is usually only available with a high lottery pick and not every year's draft has even one.

A potential 1C is useful and important in almost every team build situation.

 

[TeddyBare]

keep saying that lol, he built a stanley cup team thru the draft. He sucks at drafting

Track record speaks for itself



& bergeron Krejci and thomas werent him.

 

[TopTenPlayz]

Well Galchenyuk is a severe downgrade valuewise IMO even with their respective starts.
And Sergachev at this moment is a good prospect but nothing more. No guarantees that he can ever turn into a top pairing guy.

Mac still has superstar potential even though he is slumping bad atm.

Not willing to give him up for anything less from Montreal.

Your statement is contradictory. You say Galchenyuk is a severe downgrade, yet he has outperformed Mackinnon last year and at the start of this year. You say that Sergachev is a prospect and nothing more. Yet, you say that Mackinnon has superstar potential. So, you agree that Mack hasn't done squat in the NHL as well besides his first year. So, using the same logic, if Sergachev is nothing more than a prospect, then Mack is nothing more than a player with potential.

Some players produce at an earlier age than others. Samsonov outproduced the s*** out of Thornton the first few years. RNH played even better than Mack during their respective rookie seasons. Hell, even Yakupov did well his first year. I can go on and on.

I understand you like your guy but please don't put down other teams' players down just to boost up your guy....

 

[CHaracter79]

MacKinnon is a player you trade only if you have a crazy upgrade or someone puts a gun to your head. A potential #1C is usually only available with a high lottery pick and not every year's draft has even one.

A potential 1C is useful and important in almost every team build situation.

absolutely which is why addind a pot #1 C to one of the top D men in last years draft to pick up another #1 C is ridiculous

 

[ManofSteel55]

Could something be worked out around this basis of a trade? Or is Mackinnon completely untouchable?

Sergachev is the + in a deal for a guy like Mackinnon.

 

[HarryLime]

since i'm unbiased and the most realistic poster on hf i'll make a trade between the teams

Mac for Sergy + Galchenyuk


it's done now, so no bickering

 

[Legend123]

Sergachev is the + in a deal for a guy like Mackinnon.

hahha no