Proposal: Mikhail Sergachev+ for Nathan MacKinnon

[Legend123]

since i'm unbiased and the most realistic poster on hf i'll make a trade between the teams

Mac for Sergy + Galchenyuk


it's done now, so no bickering

man keep dreaming...

 

[HarryLime]

man keep dreaming...

idc about either team, just using my exceptional EA GM skills to help both fanbases out. that would be a fair deal 100%.

Mack still could live up to expectations obviously, but he is treading in the wrong direction and so are the Avs

Habs don't need to make a trade this big right now, but to get Mack you would have to give up a lot

 

[Eternalize]

Don't know why Montreal fans are getting all fired up about Colorado fans wanting possibly Galchenyuk and Sergachev for MacKinnon. If i had the choice between Galchenyuk and MacKinnon, i'd take MacKinnon even though Galchenyuks current form might be better. Why? Because i consider MacKinnons ceiling higher than Galchenyuks. You're not going to get a player cheap or get him in a "fair trade" just because he's "struggling". No one is getting MacKinnon unless they overpay.

 

[CHaracter79]

idc about either team, just using my exceptional EA GM skills to help both fanbases out. that would be a fair deal 100%.

Mack still could live up to expectations obviously, but he is treading in the wrong direction and so are the Avs

Habs don't need to make a trade this big right now, but to get Mack you would have to give up a lot

giving up alot is fine.. but to give someoen of equal value makes zero sense.

but again the usual hf board

habs player value < other teams player value

 

[Rorschach]

absolutely which is why addind a pot #1 C to one of the top D men in last years draft to pick up another #1 C is ridiculous

Yes, that's it's own ridiculousness. Montreal's Gally is even further along than Avs MacK. No sense for Montreal. Also no sense for Avs to give up MacK for Sergachev alone either.

 

[CHaracter79]

Don't know why Montreal fans are getting all fired up about Colorado fans wanting possibly Galchenyuk and Sergachev for MacKinnon. If i had the choice between Galchenyuk and MacKinnon, i'd take MacKinnon even though Galchenyuks current form might be better. Why? Because i consider MacKinnons ceiling higher than Galchenyuks. You're not going to get a player cheap or get a "fair-deal" done just because he's "struggling". No one is getting MacKinnon unless they overpay.

its fine to expect that.. and to have the evaluation.. no one is questionning their evaluations. other would choose mckinnon and other Chcuky.

the point is in the OP the idea was to add value to a top 10pick from this past draft. a d man who has a ceiling that is infinite.

so adding a player that is equal or almost equal value to Mac regardless of which side of the fence people are on is illogical.

the whole idea of having these conversations is to try and come up with fun solutions to the proposals.

people take it way over board.

 

[Balthazar]

You know it would be the absolute worst time to trade MacKinnon right now when people are arguing in the thread if Galchenyuk might hold more value.

 

[CHaracter79]

Yes, that's it's own ridiculousness. Montreal's Gally is even further along than Avs MacK. No sense for Montreal. Also no sense for Avs to give up MacK for Sergachev alone either.

who said that.

the idea was to find the +

 

[CHaracter79]

You know it would be the absolute worst time to trade MacKinnon right now when people are arguing in the thread that Galchenyuk holds more value.

it is comparable value. nothign suggests otherwise. other then draft position.

 

[HarryLime]

Don't know why Montreal fans are getting all fired up about Colorado fans wanting possibly Galchenyuk and Sergachev for MacKinnon. If i had the choice between Galchenyuk and MacKinnon, i'd take MacKinnon even though Galchenyuks current form might be better. Why? Because i consider MacKinnons ceiling higher than Galchenyuks. You're not going to get a player cheap or get a "fair-deal" done just because he's "struggling". No one is getting MacKinnon unless they overpay.

HF changes on a dime so value = how said player has performed in the last few weeks.

Mack is easily worth more than Galchenyuk. That being said, MTL has no reason to make a shakeup at this level atm.


Mack's value is prob at an all time low, whereas Galchenyuk's is at an all time high. Even so, Mack is no doubt more a lot more until it becomes apparent he isn't going to be in the Tavares/Stamkos tier of #1 overall picks. After his rookie year it looked like a forgone conclusion he would. Maybe he just needs a trade. Likely not, considering some of the other #1 overalls played on much worse teams and produced more with less.

 

[Balthazar]

who said that.

the idea was to find the +

It's pointless to find a +. Mack isn't going to get traded when his value is that low. He isn't Yakupov.

 

[Balthazar]

it is comparable value. nothign suggests otherwise. other then draft position.

Except when you watch them play. One has the talent to be a superstar, the other is a good 2nd line center.

 

[HarryLime]

giving up alot is fine.. but to give someoen of equal value makes zero sense.

but again the usual hf board

habs player value < other teams player value

oh lord, the victim card used on a hockey forum

 

[CHaracter79]

It's pointless to find a +. Mack isn't going to get trade when his value is that low. He isn't Yakupov.

then why have these boards. its all fun. but some people make it seem as if we are actually robbing them by offering futures in a place where real trades dont happen if you press 'submit reply''

 

[CHaracter79]

oh lord, the victim card used on a hockey forum

dotn have to look further then this summer.

prior to draft

people offered PK for Taylor hall and a 1st over all


edm forum was about to start a virtual riot.

then Hall gets traded for Larsonn and PK for Weber.

from that point on PK was the greatest dman ever. and hsi value is too high for any trade etc etc.

now though if you ask oiler fans.. they take PK over Puul and LArsonn any day

 

[CHaracter79]

Except when you watch them play. One has the talent to be a superstar, the other is a good 2nd line center.

ok. let me know when you watch Galchenyuk play. well continue this conversation

 

[CHaracter79]

oh lord, the victim card used on a hockey forum

case in point..

Except when you watch them play. One has the talent to be a superstar, the other is a good 2nd line center.

just a good 2nd liner for Galchenyuk

 

[HarryLime]

dotn have to look further then this summer.

prior to draft

people offered PK for Taylor hall and a 1st over all


edm forum was about to start a virtual riot.

then Hall gets traded for Larsonn and PK for Weber.

from that point on PK was the greatest dman ever. and hsi value is too high for any trade etc etc.

now though if you ask oiler fans.. they take PK over Puul and LArsonn any day

Monteal is a really good team and obviously have a lot of good players. I don't see why you'd think ppl value them any less cause they play for MTL

Mack is certainly worth more than Galchenyuk. Always has been. The gap in the last 7-8 months has gotten a lot smaller but it's still there. Has nothing to do with anti Habs bias.

In NHL14 I had the max amount of blackberries for my GM prowess. I wouldn't have won executive awards if I didn't grasp the notion of fair value.

 

[CHaracter79]

Monteal is a really good team and obviously have a lot of good players. I don't see why you'd think ppl value them any less cause they play for MTL

Mack is certainly worth more than Galchenyuk. Always has been. The gap in the last 7-8 months has gotten a lot smaller but it's still there. Has nothing to do with anti Habs bias.

In NHL14 I had the max amount of blackberries for my GM prowess. I wouldn't have won executive awards if I didn't grasp the notion of fair value.

i accept that you believe he has more value.. and he does... not by much but its real close.

but youd be shocked at how many people have their opinions skewed by what is now known as the Carey Price Effect.

 

[Eternalize]

its fine to expect that.. and to have the evaluation.. no one is questionning their evaluations. other would choose mckinnon and other Chcuky.

the point is in the OP the idea was to add value to a top 10pick from this past draft. a d man who has a ceiling that is infinite.

so adding a player that is equal or almost equal value to Mac regardless of which side of the fence people are on is illogical.

the whole idea of having these conversations is to try and come up with fun solutions to the proposals.

people take it way over board.

The OP is a Montreal fan. When i see Sergachev+ for MacKinnon, it sounds pretty cheap to me. That "+" is going to have to be a hell of a lot more to fetch MacKinnon.

I liked Sergachev heading into the draft. He's intriguing and i think he's got high potential. That being said, i'm not sure if he's the safest prospect around. Not sure if he's guaranteed to be for instance a top-pairing guy, or even a 2nd-pairing guy. If Sergachev doesn't end up living up to the expectations/doesn't hit his potential, a deal where you sent MacKinnon the other way is going to look extremely bad. That's the point. It's hard for the Avs to actually make a good deal as long as Sergachev is the main-piece. Why send a player that's already in the NHL, a player that went 1st overall a couple of years ago, a player that i consider as a potential elite player in the future. For a guy that holds a significant risk, a guy that isn't even playing in the NHL?

 

[Tralfamadore]

If I'm the Habs I just hold on to Serg and the +. The idea of the plus being Galy is ridiculous though. If I'm the Habs I don't even trade Galchenyuk for MacKinnon straight up considering how the player's have trended in the past year and a half.

 

[CHaracter79]

The OP is a Montreal fan. When i see Sergachev+ for MacKinnon, it sounds pretty cheap to me. That "+" is going to have to be a hell of a lot more to fetch MacKinnon.

I liked Sergachev heading into the draft. He's intriguing and i think he's got high potential. That being said, i'm not sure if he's the safest prospect around. Not sure if he's guaranteed to be for instance a top-pairing guy, or even a 2nd-pairing guy. If Sergachev doesn't end up living up to the expectations/doesn't hit his potential, a deal where you sent MacKinnon the other way is going to look extremely bad. That's the point. It's hard for the Avs to actually make a good deal as long as Sergachev is the main-piece. Why send a player that's already in the NHL, a player that went 1st overall a couple of years ago, a player that i consider as a potential elite player in the future. For a guy that holds a significant risk, a guy that isn't even playing in the NHL?

like i had mentioned, of course there has to be a + a signifcant +

but Galchenyuk makes zero sense

 

[bert]

Add Galchenyuk and "even then"?!

Alex has over double the amount of points that Nathan has.

Thats really your argument?

 

[CHaracter79]

Thats really your argument?

Galchenyuk and Sergachev

for Mac is really one sided.

its a pity that some dont know or watch Galchenyuk to see that

 

[bert]

Ppl just hate what the habs got at this point

No you overate all your players beyond belief.

Like were any of you paying attention to last year?