Mike Richards (Warning in OP)

[Johnny Utah]

Toffoli will get more money.

Let's just say hypothetically, TT and Weal offset Stoll...give or take. So the Kings let Stoll go but allocate his money to TT. So that's a wash and Kings are still at Cap limit, considering it doesn't go up.

Kings will probably re-sign one of RR or Williams....we all assume, right? They won't let both go. So that saves 3.65 million if they let Williams walk or 3 million if they let RR walk.

So Kings have 3 million give or take to spend.

BUT, Martinez wants 4 million. Pearson needs a raise. Clifford is an RFA.

So for 3 million the Kings need to sign Martinez, Pearson, Clifford???? That doesn't include the other RFA's Andreoff, Nolan, and Jones either. You need a backup goalie. You need some 4th line players.

Kings will need at least 7-8 million for all those players and hope that the CAP goes up.

If they don't deal Richards' the Kings will probably have to let both RR and Williams go or let one of those go AND let Martinez walk and I don't think they want to do that.

Clifford - 1 million +/-
Martinez - 3-4 million
RR - 3 million
Williams - 3.6 million
Jones - prob will get close to a 1 million
Andreoff - prob league minimum
Nolan - prob 600-700K
Pearson - 2-3 million
Stoll - 3.25 million

Add all those up and see what you get...then take a few away UFA's and still see what you get. Too much money and not enough CAP space.

Heck, I think if Martinez, RR, Williams and Stoll ALL walk the Kings will still be tight up against the CAP, because Martinez makes only 1.1 million now and Stoll and Williams are off set by Pearson and Toffoli's new salaries. Then the Kings will use RR and Martinez's salaries to sign Jones, Nolan, and Clifford. Both Jones and Clifford will prob cost 2.5 total. Nolan and Andreoff another combined 1.5 million.

That leaves the Kings gutted on defense.

Muzzin, Doughty, McNabb, Greene...who knows about Voynov?

 

[Ollie Weeks]

We are seeing right now why Toffoli and Pearson won't be getting mega-raises just yet.

For all this worst case-scenario planning, why the sudden optimism regarding how well they'll be playing to justify so much money so soon?

 

[kingsfan]

Toffoli will get more money.

Let's just say hypothetically, TT and Weal offset Stoll...give or take. So the Kings let Stoll go but allocate his money to TT. So that's a wash and Kings are still at Cap limit, considering it doesn't go up.

Kings will probably re-sign one of RR or Williams....we all assume, right? They won't let both go. So that saves 3.65 million if they let Williams walk or 3 million if they let RR walk.

So Kings have 3 million give or take to spend.

BUT, Martinez wants 4 million. Pearson needs a raise. Clifford is an RFA.

So for 3 million the Kings need to sign Martinez, Pearson, Clifford???? That doesn't include the other RFA's Andreoff, Nolan, and Jones either. You need a backup goalie. You need some 4th line players.

Kings will need at least 7-8 million for all those players and hope that the CAP goes up.

If they don't deal Richards' the Kings will probably have to let both RR and Williams go or let one of those go AND let Martinez walk and I don't think they want to do that.

Clifford - 1 million +/-
Martinez - 3-4 million
RR - 3 million
Williams - 3.6 million
Jones - prob will get close to a 1 million
Andreoff - prob league minimum
Nolan - prob 600-700K
Pearson - 2-3 million
Stoll - 3.25 million

Add all those up and see what you get...then take a few away UFA's and still see what you get. Too much money and not enough CAP space.

Heck, I think if Martinez, RR, Williams and Stoll ALL walk the Kings will still be tight up against the CAP, because Martinez makes only 1.1 million now and Stoll and Williams are off set by Pearson and Toffoli's new salaries. Then the Kings will use RR and Martinez's salaries to sign Jones, Nolan, and Clifford. Both Jones and Clifford will prob cost 2.5 total. Nolan and Andreoff another combined 1.5 million.

That leaves the Kings gutted on defense.

Muzzin, Doughty, McNabb, Greene...who knows about Voynov?

Do yourself a favor Johnny and look at contract comparibles for guys like Pearson and Toffoli. $3 million per season is more than fair in comparision to what others have received. If, and only if they reach 60 or more points would I worry about them getting north of that. Johansen got $4 million per and had to sign on for a third year and have a 30+ goal, 60+ point season to get it. And he's more of the exception, not the rule.

 

[Johnny Utah]

That's fine. Add 3 million for Pearson and TT, you just replaced Stoll and Williams.

But you still have UFA's RR and Martinez....Martinez wants 2-3 more than he makes now...so Kings have to clear that out somewhere...

And RFA's...Nolan, Clifford, Andreoff, and Jones....

 

[LAKings88]

That's fine. Add 3 million for Pearson and TT, you just replaced Stoll and Williams.

But you still have UFA's RR and Martinez....Martinez wants 2-3 more than he makes now...so Kings have to clear that out somewhere...

And RFA's...Nolan, Clifford, Andreoff, and Jones....

Honestly, Stoll can go. I'll take Martinez over RR. Williams is great but might price himself out of LA.

Clifford and Nolan are fourth liners. Keep one. Jones needs to stay but will be a backup as long as Quickie is here. Easily replaced if he wants too much.

Gabby Kopi Carter
Pearson Richards Toffoli
King Weal Brown
Clifford Lewis Andreoff/???
???/Shore


Doughty Muzzin
Martinez VV(?)
??? Greene
McNabb(Hoping they can round him out after trading Fasching for him)/Forbort

Not pretty but could happen.

 

[CowMix]

Richards only hope right now is the cap going up, I'd really like to keep him but it's just business. You might be able to re-sign Stoll and Williams for a tad above Richard's cap hit.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Martinez out indefinitely after finger surgery. #ThanksRichards

 

[Johnny Utah]

Tough for the Kings to lose Martinez and RR.

 

[kingsfan]

That's fine. Add 3 million for Pearson and TT, you just replaced Stoll and Williams.

But you still have UFA's RR and Martinez....Martinez wants 2-3 more than he makes now...so Kings have to clear that out somewhere...

And RFA's...Nolan, Clifford, Andreoff, and Jones....

No, you didn't just replace Stoll and Williams. Williams plus Stoll's cap hit = $6.9 million. Toffoli and Pearson right now have a combined cap hit of about $1.5 million. If they each got $3 million per season, that'd be a cap hit increase (combined) of $4.5 million.

$6.9 million
-$4.5 million
=$2.4 million

And again, that's assuming Toffoli and Pearson each get $3 million per season. I believe you are going to high on those expectations, especially for Pearson.

As for Martinez, you give him $3.5 million. That's a $2.4 million increase. If you drop Regehr that's $3 million, meaning you have $600,000 to toss towards another defenseman. Likely you can get a McNabb-esque guy for $1 million or less, so the net increase is small, if any.

Nolan, Clifford, Jones and Andreoff are going to get little, if any, increases. You know that Johnny. You may be looking at a combined increase of $500,000 for those four. DL could easily trade away Clifford, recall a guy like Sabourin, and the combined cap hit is relatively the same.

And all that assumes the cap doesn't increase at all. There is that chance for sure, but odds are it is going to increase, even if slightly.

Richards only hope right now is the cap going up, I'd really like to keep him but it's just business. You might be able to re-sign Stoll and Williams for a tad above Richard's cap hit.

Why would you resign Stoll?

 

[CowMix]

Why would you resign Stoll?

Because hes a solid third line center that doesn't break the bank and is good on the pk and a faceoff specialist.

I'm also not one to automatically give rookies top roles on the team without earning them through NHL minutes.

 

[kingsfan]

Because hes a solid third line center that doesn't break the bank and is good on the pk and a faceoff specialist.

I'm also not one to automatically give rookies top roles on the team without earning them through NHL minutes.

A 3rd line centre should be on pace for more than five points in an 82 games season.

1 assist in 17 games is not a 3rd line centre on any team, even expansion teams.

 

[damacles1156]

Because hes a solid third line center that doesn't break the bank and is good on the pk and a faceoff specialist.

I'm also not one to automatically give rookies top roles on the team without earning them through NHL minutes.

Stoll is on pace, to not even receive an offer from the Kings.

The guy is playing himself off the team.

 

[CowMix]

A 3rd line centre should be on pace for more than five points in an 82 games season.

1 assist in 17 games is not a 3rd line centre on any team, even expansion teams.

By that logic everyone on the team needs to be replaced because they all suck during the regular season.

 

[damacles1156]

By that logic everyone on the team needs to be replaced because they all suck during the regular season.

Sigh, at least make a compelling argument to keep Stoll.

Not everyone sucks during the regular season, I am sure Kopitar/Quick/Doughty/Carter ETC, will hit career averages. Plenty of other Kings will most likely as well.

Tevor Lewis is on pace to shatter all of his career High's.

 

[CowMix]

Sigh, at least make a compelling argument to keep Stoll.

Not everyone sucks during the regular season, I am sure Kopitar/Quick/Doughty/Carter ETC, will hit career averages. Plenty of other Kings will most likely as well.

Because hes a solid third line center that doesn't break the bank and is good on the pk and a faceoff specialist.

I'm also not one to automatically give rookies top roles on the team without earning them through NHL minutes.

I see a compelling argument.

 

[damacles1156]

I see a compelling argument.

Who say's a rookie will replace Stoll ? For all anyone knows Lombardi lands an UFA that can actually produce on the scoreboard.

The only facet of the game so far this season Stoll has been adequate in, is Face-off's.

You don't resign Stoll, just cause he is not going to receive a raise. Stoll is not even a Third line center on the Kings. He has received the majority of his minutes as the Fourth line Center(this season).

 

[CowMix]

I don't care about regular season stats I care that in the playoffs having a solid defensive faceoff specialist is very important for a puck possession team. Sutter would also have Stoll out there in the playoffs for important draws.

Unless your getting a huge upgrade the player you know that has chemistry in the lockeroom and would be willing to take a hometown discount is a better option than a free agent.

Stoll was also one of the players that really lead us when we were down during San Jose. He was a monster in Game 3 and 4.

 

[damacles1156]

I don't care about regular season stats I care that in the playoffs having a solid defensive faceoff specialist is very important in the playoffs for a puck possession team. Sutter would also have Stoll out there in the playoffs for important draws.

I agree, but Kingsfan already pointed out Richards covers that area.

Look a few posts back, and Richards pretty much matched Stoll for face-off's.

Richards can take over that roll.

 

[CowMix]

I agree, but Kingsfan already pointed out Richards covers that area.

Look a few posts back, and Richards pretty much matched Stoll for face-off's.

Richards can take over that roll.

In a cap-free world yes you take Richards over Stoll, but that's not todays NHL. Are you willing to lose Pearson or Toffoli to keep Richards over Stoll?

 

[damacles1156]

In a cap-free world yes you take Richards over Stoll, but that's not todays NHL.

What exactly is the problem with the cap ? People keep saying this. The Kings don't have a cap problem.

They are under the cap with the Current roster. Not a single player needs to be moved right now.

 

[CowMix]

What exactly is the problem with the cap ? People keep saying this. The Kings don't have a cap problem.

They are under the cap with the Current roster. Not a single player needs to moved right now.

Pearson and Toffoli are on entry level contracts. Jones is on a league minimum contract. Martinez is going to get a huge raise. Kopitars contract comes up in 2 years and he could easily get Toews money.

I see DL resigning Stoll the same way and same reasons he resigned Greene.

 

[damacles1156]

Pearson and Toffoli are on entry level contracts. Jones is on a league minimum contract. Martinez is going to get a huge raise. Kopitars contract comes up in 2 years and he could easily get Toews money.

Kings fan has already pointed out all those players fit under the current cap, with simply letting Stoll and RR go ,and Williams signing a cap frenziedly deal.

That is with the cap not increasing at all. Kopitar's deal even at Toews money is only an 3.5 million increase over what he makes now.

The Cap will have raised 3.5 million by then.

Again what is the problem ?

 

[CowMix]

Kings fan has already pointed out all those players fit under the current cap, with simply letting Stoll and RR go.

That is with the cap not increasing at all. Kopitar's deal even at Toews money is only an 3.5 million increase over what he makes now.

The Cap will have raised 3.5 million by then.

Again what is the problem ?

We were also counting on the cap raising this year (if it did would we still have Mitchell?) and there are reports that it won't raise next year at all. You can't just assume the cap is going to raise and all is going to be fine.

 

[damacles1156]

We were also counting on the cap raising this year and there are reports that it won't raise next year at all either. You can't just assume the cap is going to raise and all is going to be fine.

So people really believe the Cap won't raise for two years ?

So ok lets take your scenario, it does not raise for two years.

Kings fan already pointed out A-Mart+Williams/Toffoli/Pearson can be kept with the cap not going up at all.

So the Kings would have to find 3.5 maybe 4 million to keep Kopitar in two years.

I am pretty sure when it comes to Kopitar, people would be ok with letting anyone go to keep Kopitar(save maybe Carter/Quick/Doughty).

Gabo/Muzzin/Greene/Slava/Williams/Richards/Toffoli/Pearson/A-Mart/Clifford/Lewis/Nolan/ Heck even Brown.

All candidtes that could be moved to make cap space to keep Kopitar.

Problem solved.

 

[damacles1156]

You people keep bringing up Kopitar "AS IF" Lombardi would not make the nessecary changes to the roster to keep Kopitar.

Totally Ludicrous, seriously.

Lombardi would be fired on the spot, if his excuse was..."Well we didn't have the cap space, to sign our Franchise Center".

I mean really guys....COME ON !!

Edit:

Also...People really worried about losing guys Like Clifford/Nolan/Andy/ ? These guys are barely, NHL roster players. They are also a large reason the bottom six continues to be a black hole for production.

What the f man...Seriously.