Those aren't the type of players you lose when you're in a cap crunch because the players you use to replace them also have to be paid, so you don't save much money. You have to look at the group of players a tier above that.
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Those aren't the type of players you lose when you're in a cap crunch because the players you use to replace them also have to be paid, so you don't save much money. You have to look at the group of players a tier above that.
damacles1156
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It's a wash most of the time....So whats the problem ? Their is no cap crunch.
Are the Kings above the cap ?
The Kings may even get productive bottom six players out of guys like Weal/Shore.
Clifford makes over a million people know that right ?
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That is out of the Kings control, if Slava doesn't get suspended the roster is full. Again I ask are the Kings above the Cap ?
What player needs to be moved RIGHT NOW, to get the Kings below it.
O wait, no one.
It's not possible to legally be over the salary cap so I fail to see the point of your question.
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There is no cap problem, a cap problem is you're over the salary cap, and need to move someone to get under it.
Due to something happening, out of the Kings control, the league has put the Kings in a bad spot Cap wise.
That is not a Kings cap problem, that is the league screwing the Kings.
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Struggles would come.
Pearson's last Nine Games: 0G 1A 1P +3
Toffoli is still ok production wise over the last Ten games.
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No, by that logic I'm saying someone on pace to score 5 points is A) not a 3rd line centre and B) not worth even 1/3rd of his $3.25 million salary. Yet you want to keep him. THAT is what has no logic to it.
You won't lose either to keep Richards. Cutting Stoll along frees up enough cap space to pay for the extension for both I wager. If the cap goes up at all, it'll be enough to pay for Stoll's replacement too.
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If Richards had to get traded for a cheaper cap hit player or cap room, what would you pick? What player would you seek from another team? A trade deadline deal or if it was it the draft trade or offseason and the Kings were all back healthy.
Anaheim:
Arizona: Hanzal, Yandle
Boston: Eriksson, Miller
Buffalo: Stewart
Calgary: Smid, Baertschi
Carolina: Sekera
Chicago:
Colorado:
Columbus:
Dallas:
Detroit: Tatar
Edmonton: Yakupov, Perron
Florida: Bjugstad
Minnasota: Niederreiter
Montreal:
NYI: Leddy, Grabner
NYR: Staal, Hagelin
Nashville: Wilson, Ellis
New Jersey: Larsson
Ottawa:
Philadelphia: B. Schenn, L. Schenn
Pittsburgh:
San Jose:
St. Louis: Berglund, Paajarvi
Tampa Bay:
Toronto: JVR
Vancouver:
Washington: Alzner, Wilson, Kuznetsov
Winnipeg: Burmistrov
Some guys would need a package deal, other teams you don't trade him too. Who would you be looking for?
Anaheim:
Arizona: Hanzal, Yandle
Boston: Eriksson, Miller
Buffalo: Stewart
Calgary: Smid, Baertschi
Carolina: Sekera
Chicago:
Colorado:
Columbus:
Dallas:
Detroit: Tatar
Edmonton: Yakupov, Perron
Florida: Bjugstad
Minnasota: Niederreiter
Montreal:
NYI: Leddy, Grabner
NYR: Staal, Hagelin
Nashville: Wilson, Ellis
New Jersey: Larsson
Ottawa:
Philadelphia: B. Schenn, L. Schenn
Pittsburgh:
San Jose:
St. Louis: Berglund, Paajarvi
Tampa Bay:
Toronto: JVR
Vancouver:
Washington: Alzner, Wilson, Kuznetsov
Winnipeg: Burmistrov
Some guys would need a package deal, other teams you don't trade him too. Who would you be looking for?
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Would have to be a defenseman. Purely to answer your question, Marc Staal because it would fill a huge void.
KingsOfCali25
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But assuming the Kings are healthy and full team back, would you still pick Staal?
Edit: I'm just trying to see what everyone would be looking for if the Kings are a full healthy team, but know the Kings will have cap problems next year. (Not saying we will)
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kingsfan
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Agreed. I felt that guy would be Jere Lehtinen when he was drafted. He won't be that good but hopefully he can rebound.
That said it'd be a waste of a pick up. We have Shore, Weal, etc. coming up through the system for next year, he'll just eat up a bottom six role that one of our kids should be getting next year.
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KingsOfCali25
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I would like to have him replace Regehr but he's going to be looking for a way bigger contract and most likely want to join his brothers. But I'd be for it if we could resign him.
Paajarvi plays the wings so he wouldn't be blocking shore or weal. Trading Richards or Stoll for him would actually open a spot for one of them and get King out of the lineup
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How can you say the Kings have no cap problem? They are against the Cap right now?! That's a problem.
Simply taking RR and Stoll out...that's about 7 million won't give you enough to re-sign Williams, Martinez, and give TT and Pearson raises.
Martinez makes 1 million. He wants 4. The difference is 3 million.
Williams current salary most likely off sets his new one. So let's wash that.
Then TT and Pearson will prob need about 6-7 for both of them. They make a combined barely 2 now.
So 5 million for the kids and 3 for Martinez. That's 8 million right there. So Kings at -1 million. That is being generous and saying Williams will not get a raise and TT and Pearson don't get more than 2-3 each.
So what happens with Jones, Clifford, Nolan, Andreoff? Kings will want to sign all these guys and not lose for nothing.
Also, Lombardi always says he wants cap space. Look what happened this year. He won't let this happen again.
Forget to mention as well...Weal, Shore and Dowd will be RFA's.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=LA
Next year Kings have 63 million committed to just their signed players!
Simply taking RR and Stoll out...that's about 7 million won't give you enough to re-sign Williams, Martinez, and give TT and Pearson raises.
Martinez makes 1 million. He wants 4. The difference is 3 million.
Williams current salary most likely off sets his new one. So let's wash that.
Then TT and Pearson will prob need about 6-7 for both of them. They make a combined barely 2 now.
So 5 million for the kids and 3 for Martinez. That's 8 million right there. So Kings at -1 million. That is being generous and saying Williams will not get a raise and TT and Pearson don't get more than 2-3 each.
So what happens with Jones, Clifford, Nolan, Andreoff? Kings will want to sign all these guys and not lose for nothing.
Also, Lombardi always says he wants cap space. Look what happened this year. He won't let this happen again.
Forget to mention as well...Weal, Shore and Dowd will be RFA's.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=LA
Next year Kings have 63 million committed to just their signed players!
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Yeah because Williams has been just great this year, would much rather have him out there than Richards ATM.
The guy won the Conn Smythe he could skip town and sign somewhere for some bum team for 5.5 million if he wants.. He's won 3 Cups I think it's not unfair to say he might be ready to cash in.
kingsfan
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Assuming Toffoli and Pearson get two year bridge deals which seems likely, where in the world do you keep getting this notion they will be getting over 43 million per year? Especially Pearson. He's on pace for about 45 points and has all of 17 points in 43 career games. That will not get him $3 mill+. It may not even get him $2 million.
Toffoli I can get if he keeps this start up, but right now the odds of that are pretty low. Even Anze Kopitar has never been a point per game player with the Kings, what's the odds of Toffoli doing it in his second season?
Also, Clifford, Nolan and Andreoff are quite expendable, especially the later too. Why is keeping a pair of seven minute a guy low skilled players so important to you?
Kings love Clifford. They spent 2 plus years developing Andreoff. Nolan has won 2 cups. Even if they let these guys go they have to replace them.
kingsfan
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The bolded is where you are correct. The rest, well, that's hockey. You move on from guys eventually, especially foot soldiers which is really what all of Andreoff, Nolan and Clifford are. The Kings didn't get blinded by the sight of two Cup rings when they let Colin Fraser walk.
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LA spent years developing Hickey too. And then they made a choice that sent him to the waiver wire, for the good of the team. And management won't keep bad players they don't have to just because they are affordable re-signs. There is only one word for that - stupid.
And Johnny, you need to stop wearing Jeff Soloman's suits for a while and just trust that they have some sort of idea what they're doing. They've juggled with the cap for YEARS now and haven't led us wrong, so grow some balls, go on autopilot until February like the rest of us, and enjoy the ride.
And Johnny, you need to stop wearing Jeff Soloman's suits for a while and just trust that they have some sort of idea what they're doing. They've juggled with the cap for YEARS now and haven't led us wrong, so grow some balls, go on autopilot until February like the rest of us, and enjoy the ride.
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Exactamundo.
And the worst of this crisis appears to be over. They're weathering the storm pretty well most nights. Voynov MIGHT be back soon, and our guys are healing up and slowly rounding back into form.
Yeah, but we haven't won the cup yet this year, so RICHARDS SUCKS!!! Seriously I can't believe this is still going...
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