Mike Richards VI (UGH): The Armageddon Edition (MOD NOTE POST #1)

[417th]

It's a two way street and it's not a super kind of conspiracy theory. I like DL, respect him for what he did for Mike and how he conducts his himself but to cmon bud.

Too say this info halted trade talks is much more potent to the league then saying guess what Mike did 2 days ago.

Lastly, the timing of it all. During the draft???? A last minute phone call just like in the movies where the call comes in to death row claiming innocence right before the inmate hits the electric chair.

You can try and claim that I'm suggesting some conspiracy theory but the truth is the timing is so damn perfect, especially for such a non issue as Mike being detained, not charged. I mean seriously, how at the last minute would somebody look or find such a piece of info on draft day.

Suggesting he sat on this infom is really not a far fetched thought

Let us just address the timing of the situation. Why would DL be involved in trying to trade MR knowing that he couldn't do to MR's situation? Again, you like DL so you must know him well enough to know he wasn't go to do something as slimy as misrepresenting MR's status and trade him only having to have the deal rescinded once the other team found out. Another thing to consider is when would MR and his reps want to disclose this information? Clearly not before any buyout could happen for the simple reason of what is happening now. It has been rumored that DL was in the process of making a trade that involved moving MR to another team. It has been confirmed that both the Oiler and the Flames GM's were involved in these talks when DL cancelled the deal. It has also been rumored (somewhat confirmed by persons close to the team) that DL only found out about MR's situation as a trade was about to happen. It is possible, not a fact but very possible that when DL notified MR's reps that a deal was about to take place that this is when they chose to notify him about MR's pending troubles. Why would the two sides be in contact prior to that time? The season was over and both sides knew that MR would not be a King next season so the only reason to talk would be to finalize MR's buy out.

So doesn't it make more sense that MR and his reps would wait until the buyout to mention anything? To me it makes the most sense that MR would try to hide his legal troubles and everything else in order to get the full amount of his contract via buyout. Why would DL wait until he is about trade MR to back out of a deal? Why would the Oilers (chia) and the Flames (tree) confirm that they were in "serious negotiations" with DL regarding the potential of an MR deal if they weren't? It is easy. MR and his reps knew that if DL found out early enough he might terminate the contract instead of buying MR out. I think when you look at everything or everything we can possibly know to be factual anyways you will see why most Kings fans feel the same way or at least do on some level.

 

[Ron*]

It's a two way street and it's not a super kind of conspiracy theory. I like DL, respect him for what he did for Mike and how he conducts his himself but to cmon bud.

Too say this info halted trade talks is much more potent to the league then saying guess what Mike did 2 days ago.

Lastly, the timing of it all. During the draft???? A last minute phone call just like in the movies where the call comes in to death row claiming innocence right before the inmate hits the electric chair.

You can try and claim that I'm suggesting some conspiracy theory but the truth is the timing is so damn perfect, especially for such a non issue as Mike being detained, not charged. I mean seriously, how at the last minute would somebody look or find such a piece of info on draft day.

Suggesting he sat on this infom is really not a far fetched thought

No journalist or LA person would be able to call around on draft day and find such a piece of info so easily. Somebody in the LA organization had to know something soon after. Simply calling around in one day, I doubt that the Canadian government would have shot out that info with no hesitation. Just my thoughts anyway

Yes it is, because you simply have not thought it out.

If Lombardi (or someone in the Kings organization) actually sat on the information until draft day, and then blurted it out at the last minute to two GMs, saying he had just received this information, then don't you think they would think how that looked?

They are much too smart for that.

You yourself said you respect DL for how he treated Richards and how he conducts himself and then later in the same post you are calling him a liar, a cheat, and I don't know what else.

Your opinion seems muddled at best and full of holes at worse.

Oh, and clearly you have not been paying attention, because as stated previously Canadian privacy laws do not permit the release of information at this time in an investigation.

 

[moosehead81]

Why would the Oilers (chia) and the Flames (tree) confirm that they were in "serious negotiations" with DL regarding the potential of an MR deal if they weren't?

First I've heard that negotiations were "serious".. everything previous suggested that the Kings were simply "in discussion" with the 2 teams regarding the potential movement of Mike Richards. Do you have a link regarding confirmation by the Flames and Oilers that they were in fact, in serious negotiations with the Kings? Thanks

 

[Herby]

I too was shocked to hear that the Kings were in negotiations with two teams.

Funny how they were Pacific Div. teams, normally teams don't like to trade players within the division, but in the case of MR I'm sure DL was excited at the prospect of Kopirar and Carter standing along in front of the net five times a season.

 

[ivanthebad*]

Yes it is, because you simply have not thought it out.

If Lombardi (or someone in the Kings organization) actually sat on the information until draft day, and then blurted it out at the last minute to two GMs, saying he had just received this information, then don't you think they would think how that looked?

They are much too smart for that.

You yourself said you respect DL for how he treated Richards and how he conducts himself and then later in the same post you are calling him a liar, a cheat, and I don't know what else.

Your opinion seems muddled at best and full of holes at worse.

Oh, and clearly you have not been paying attention, because as stated previously Canadian privacy laws do not permit the release of information at this time in an investigation.

Wow. You throw some insults my way. If privacy law doesn't permit info, then how did LA get ahold of this info? Exactly what I said about the info shows I am PAYING attention. You seem to have an answer for everything. Please give your theory on how such damning info could be obtained under privacy law right at the perfect time?

You act like I'm trying to assissinate DL here but I'm not. If you don't like the way the questions are pointing then that's your fault.

 

[KINGS17]

Wow. You throw some insults my way. If privacy law doesn't permit info, then how did LA get ahold of this info? Exactly what I said about the info shows I am PAYING attention. You seem to have an answer for everything. Please give your theory on how such damning info could be obtained under privacy law right at the perfect time?

You act like I'm trying to assissinate DL here but I'm not. If you don't like the way the questions are pointing then that's your fault.

I think Mike's agents at Newport knew that the jig was up.

They are obligated to inform the Kings regarding Richards legal status. A trade was in the works. Newport isn't going to ruin their reputation over Mike Richards and not fulfill all of their obligations.

The timing isn't as sininster as you are trying to make it. The Kings found out at the draft because a trade was imminent. Newport had to come clean at that moment.

 

[ivanthebad*]

I think Mike's agents at Newport knew that the jig was up.

They are obligated to inform the Kings regarding Richards legal status. A trade was in the works. Newport isn't going to ruin their reputation over Mike Richards and not fulfill all of their obligations.

The timing isn't as sininster as you are trying to make it. The Kings found out at the draft because a trade was imminent. Newport had to come clean at that moment.

That makes the most sense. Thanks.

 

[apadilla]

Unless previously mentioned, how did DL get this "new" information right at the perfect time during the draft? I mean, not like teams were really making moves prior to this, then during the draft when teams are making moves and 2 now have documented interest in Richie, he drops this bomb.

Not sticking up for Mike, but perhaps his camp did supply this info to DL, and he chose to try and get out from this thing free and clear.

Just a thought

An unlikely thought though. Chances are, it is as DL says it is. I'll go with DL.

 

[HookKing]

An unlikely thought though. Chances are, it is as DL says it is. I'll go with DL.

Still not sure why these people keep talking about the "perfect timing" of all this. It was terrible timing, a huge distraction during the draft and free agent signing period. What possible motive would DL have to sit on this?

 

[KINGS17]

Still not sure why these people keep talking about the "perfect timing" of all this. It was terrible timing, a huge distraction during the draft and free agent signing period. What possible motive would DL have to sit on this?

The ONLY people that would be motivated to sit on this were Mike Richards and his agents at Newport.

 

[onlyalad]

I think Mike's agents at Newport knew that the jig was up.

They are obligated to inform the Kings regarding Richards legal status. A trade was in the works. Newport isn't going to ruin their reputation over Mike Richards and not fulfill all of their obligations.

The timing isn't as sininster as you are trying to make it. The Kings found out at the draft because a trade was imminent. Newport had to come clean at that moment.

I wonder if the Kings were trying to set up a physical and called Mike/Newport to schedule only to find out that his passport is being held during the investigation. I don't know that it is but many times when someone is in legal trouble on TV or in movies they put a hold on passports. Maybe it happens in real life.

 

[ivanthebad*]

So what do most think.
A. Richards fades into oblivion.
B. Richards resurgence despite outcome
C. Richards only plays if contract terminated.

 

[MsMeow]

First I've heard that negotiations were "serious".. everything previous suggested that the Kings were simply "in discussion" with the 2 teams regarding the potential movement of Mike Richards. Do you have a link regarding confirmation by the Flames and Oilers that they were in fact, in serious negotiations with the Kings? Thanks

I think Dean has been in talks with teams for a year. I can't imagine either the Flames or Oilers were seriously thinking of trading for him, especially since both teams are on the way up. I could see a tank team like the Leafs going for him.

 

[Hatter]

I think Dean has been in talks with teams for a year. I can't imagine either the Flames or Oilers were seriously thinking of trading for him, especially since both teams are on the way up. I could see a tank team like the Leafs going for him.

yeah because what would a team full of young players on the way up who haven't won anything want with a veteran who has won at every level?

 

[417th]

So what do most think.
A. Richards fades into oblivion.
B. Richards resurgence despite outcome
C. Richards only plays if contract terminated.

Why should anyone answer any of your questions when you don't answer ours. Obviously you have your own agenda that has nothing to do with a fair exchange of ideas or debate.

 

[Basilisk]

If another team signs Mike Richards, will the Mike Richards threads finally cease? Or do we have to wait until he's completely off the books for these threads to completely go away? Seriously, I'm burnt out on seeing anything Mike Richards related.....

 

[onlyalad]

I think Dean has been in talks with teams for a year. I can't imagine either the Flames or Oilers were seriously thinking of trading for him, especially since both teams are on the way up. I could see a tank team like the Leafs going for him.

Depends on what else was in the deal. They might buy part or all of his cap hit if they got something else of value.

 

[Captain Mittens*]

So what do most think.
A. Richards fades into oblivion.
B. Richards resurgence despite outcome
C. Richards only plays if contract terminated.

E. Richards becomes a disco legend

 

[ivanthebad*]

Why should anyone answer any of your questions when you don't answer ours. Obviously you have your own agenda that has nothing to do with a fair exchange of ideas or debate.

WTF are you talking about? I listened and agreed and thanked this Kings17 guy when he provided basically the same answer you did, which makes sense and answered my question. Pretty sure that's what a fair exchange is. Sorry I didn't agree with you first as you obviously took it personal.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Depends on what else was in the deal. They might buy part or all of his cap hit if they got something else of value.

I'm certain Kings retained some salary, up to 30% or so, less than a buyout. And I'm sure we were sending assets their way, probably picks if we retained, perhaps Martinez or Weal without any retention.

 

[Steve Zissou]

It's quite clear that over the past 3 seasons The Kings success and swagger has ruffled some feathers, and this maneuver by DL has sent most over the threshold.

I know everyone loves to play lawyer or armchair GM, but let's just wait till all the facts come out before crucifying DL (or Mike Richards)... there's a thread on the main boards for just that.

 

[santiclaws]

I think Mike's agents at Newport knew that the jig was up.

They are obligated to inform the Kings regarding Richards legal status. A trade was in the works. Newport isn't going to ruin their reputation over Mike Richards and not fulfill all of their obligations.

The timing isn't as sininster as you are trying to make it. The Kings found out at the draft because a trade was imminent. Newport had to come clean at that moment.

Newport has no legal obligation to any team, only to their clients. They have no contract with the Kings. They are not a party to the CBA. Informing the Kings, over the objection of their client, would seem to me to be a big no-no; quite possibly a violation of their contract with Richards, including a possible violation of their fiduciary duty to their client. So I very much doubt that scenario.

 

[Reclamation Project]

But pulling rubbish out of our ***** is so much more fun.

 

[KINGS17]

Newport has no legal obligation to any team, only to their clients. They have no contract with the Kings. They are not a party to the CBA. Informing the Kings, over the objection of their client, would seem to me to be a big no-no; quite possibly a violation of their contract with Richards, including a possible violation of their fiduciary duty to their client. So I very much doubt that scenario.

I think Newport is responsible for representing their client. That includes informing their client's employer when the client screws up and doesn't want to inform the team personally.

If you are an attorney, you don't get to break the law, or the requirements of a contract of a person you represent just because the client wants you to do so.

 

[theMajor]

So what do most think.
A. Richards fades into oblivion.
B. Richards resurgence despite outcome
C. Richards only plays if contract terminated.

D. Richards starts his own DJ/Fishing guide business