Mike Richards VI (UGH): The Armageddon Edition (MOD NOTE POST #1)
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Sleeping Dog
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I'm not familiar with NHL drug processes, so I thought I'd ask here.
Are there any random drug tests in the NHL?
When MR came back from Manch near the end of the year for "fitness training" (or something like that), did DL & DS think he was on something, but couldn't prove?
If somehow he is able to play again and gets off the hillbilly hereoin, does anyone think he might get his game back?
If these questions were asked before, sorry about the duplicate questions.
Are there any random drug tests in the NHL?
When MR came back from Manch near the end of the year for "fitness training" (or something like that), did DL & DS think he was on something, but couldn't prove?
If somehow he is able to play again and gets off the hillbilly hereoin, does anyone think he might get his game back?
If these questions were asked before, sorry about the duplicate questions.
what little understanding I have is the testing is very flawed. There is a date (that players know) that all tests have to be done before. Once that date passes players know they are free to do or ingest whatever they hell they want.
Rumpelstiltskin
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Questions for Any Attorneys/Licensed Legal Pros Reading:
1a. Do we know if, when the NHL signed off on the termination of Richards' contract, it was of the "tacit authorization" or "meritorious approval" variety (in other words: did they say, "OK, all of your paperwork is in order; good luck" or "Yeah, you're right; after looking at this situation, this guy's contract is DONE, and we're behind you if/when the NHLPA contests it")
1b. Does 1a. even matter if/when this goes to arbitration (and, if so, how --either in-channel, or to the potential financial penalties to the Kings)?
2. (Assume for this question that the Kings haven't terminated Voynov's contract by the time Richards' prospective NHLPA grievance is held) Would the fact that there might reasonably appear to be a double-standard in play specific to the Kings organization possibly hurt the NHL/Kings' case?
TIA...
1a. Do we know if, when the NHL signed off on the termination of Richards' contract, it was of the "tacit authorization" or "meritorious approval" variety (in other words: did they say, "OK, all of your paperwork is in order; good luck" or "Yeah, you're right; after looking at this situation, this guy's contract is DONE, and we're behind you if/when the NHLPA contests it")
1b. Does 1a. even matter if/when this goes to arbitration (and, if so, how --either in-channel, or to the potential financial penalties to the Kings)?
2. (Assume for this question that the Kings haven't terminated Voynov's contract by the time Richards' prospective NHLPA grievance is held) Would the fact that there might reasonably appear to be a double-standard in play specific to the Kings organization possibly hurt the NHL/Kings' case?
TIA...
KINGS17
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A player would be protected if he informs his club when something like this happens.
Richards attempting to conceal it is the issue with his contract, not the drugs.
tsanuri
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We don't know if they signed off but they had to know about it. And I'm guessing that DL sought some sort of council with Daly over it.
As to the second question it will depend on what the facts are. If Richards had already gone into the NHL drug program before and it was somehow kept quiet. Then that is a whole other game. There are guidelines set forth that are to be followed within the program.
The bottom line is until more facts come out with Richards nobody really knows why the Kings took this route.
Mitchnesses
Hunk of Monkey Love
To which the officer replied, "Fish in a lake nope. Catfish over the phone with your daily call, yes."
People wondering why the details reached DL on draft day - I believe MR was keeping it quiet and hoping to get away with it. After hearing he was likely getting traded to Edmonton, he quickly rang DL himself as Jail didn't seem too bad in comparison !!
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I really feel like it's a combination of that, the substance itself, and whatever massive detail we are missing that is either really bad (federal investigation bad) or really, really embarrassing. Please do not speculate on that, thanks
But either way, there's clearly a HUGE piece missing, whether it's the sheer amount of substance or something.
Reclamation Project
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Not shocking at all. Accountability is greatly lacking in modern society.
I really feel like it's a combination of that, the substance itself, and whatever massive detail we are missing that is either really bad (federal investigation bad) or really, really embarrassing. Please do not speculate on that, thanks
While they NHLPA still has plenty of time to file a grievance, they've been notably silent on the matter outside of simply acknowledging they were investigating.
There's been no rushes to Richards defense from anyone other than some forum posters.
Buddy The Elf
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The main board thread is so fun to read. People are so emotional about it and seem to know exactly what is going to happen when we really know very little as to what the grounds for the contract termination are. There are a lot of people with agendas in there and a lot of people who stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Exactly. The complete radio silence from all parties suggests something.
But Mike Richards has gone from main and trade forum punching bag to the symbol of a crusade because poor mike richards is innocent of any wrongdoing and DL is a voodoo doctor apparently.
KINGS17
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I really feel like it's a combination of that, the substance itself, and whatever massive detail we are missing that is either really bad (federal investigation bad) or really, really embarrassing. Please do not speculate on that, thanks
I think it could still be as simple as him failing to notify the Kings regarding the situation.
Could be a lot more complicated though as well.
Reclamation Project
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I didn't go to law school, but I have a friend that is taking Introduction to Law at a junior college and I once watched an episode of Law & Order SVU, so I'm in a position to say Dean is breaking the law and the Kings should be relegated to Europe. I'm also starting a class action lawsuit against the city of Los Angeles, the Los Angeles Kings, and most importantly their classless fans. I'm seeking $150,000,000,000,000 in damages.
It's kind of satisfying that so many people want to see the Kings weakened because they are a scary team to face. I don't believe for a second that more than a couple of them actually care about poor Mike Richards.
Most of us here may beleive that Mike did multiple things violating his contract over the course of it (not staying in shape, not reporting to trainers when the team asked, not informing them of the arrest, etc.) But even though we may think that, we all know what he contributed to this team and appreciate it, and I would guess that even the most critical of Mike on this board wish the best for him and hope he can straighten his life out from the turmoil it is surely in. Most of the folks on the main board just want to stick it to the Kings any way they can
Part of me wants to know what happened that fateful day at the border, but part of me loves the gong-show in the main board thread and hopes that no more information comes out in a while to keep the conspiracy kooks going. I swear some of them have an unlimited supply of coffee. Is that so wrong?
Most of us here may beleive that Mike did multiple things violating his contract over the course of it (not staying in shape, not reporting to trainers when the team asked, not informing them of the arrest, etc.) But even though we may think that, we all know what he contributed to this team and appreciate it, and I would guess that even the most critical of Mike on this board wish the best for him and hope he can straighten his life out from the turmoil it is surely in. Most of the folks on the main board just want to stick it to the Kings any way they can
Part of me wants to know what happened that fateful day at the border, but part of me loves the gong-show in the main board thread and hopes that no more information comes out in a while to keep the conspiracy kooks going. I swear some of them have an unlimited supply of coffee. Is that so wrong?
Reclamation Project
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If Dean & Co. believe it (which they absolutely do if they went ahead with terminating his contract), then I do too.
I found some additional background information from 7 months ago so it's not specifically addressing any situation a NHL player is currently in.
The first half the the article contains some useful information as well as that the US and Canada share criminal databases.
So it seems likely that if someone gets in trouble in Canada, the US will know about it. It thus is a question of how soon will the US know and if arrests and/or detentions are reported too.
Please note that controlled substances are typically singled out for different treatment under many statutes such as the visa revocation statute I posted earlier.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2014/11/05/can-i-cross-the-border-with-a-criminal-record/
The first half the the article contains some useful information as well as that the US and Canada share criminal databases.
So it seems likely that if someone gets in trouble in Canada, the US will know about it. It thus is a question of how soon will the US know and if arrests and/or detentions are reported too.
Please note that controlled substances are typically singled out for different treatment under many statutes such as the visa revocation statute I posted earlier.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2014/11/05/can-i-cross-the-border-with-a-criminal-record/
People are just upset because in their mind the Kings need to suffer the buyout for Richards poor contract. Otherwise it's a grave injustice and slippery slope.
Chain
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1) The way he's writing that, it's like this is new info to him and this "new info" makes it even more unlikely Richards contract is terminated. Yet, he was talking the other day like he already knew why Richards was arrested. So what's the new information?
2) It seems like this guy has an agenda, or is just trying to get hits.
3) I'm really starting to dislike that lawyer.
Chain
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Yup. And Richards must know that if he had a drug problem and was arrested for it, he'd likely be protected by the CBA. But he chose two hide it, conveniently at the same time as the buyout window. He may have been trying to buy time until he got bought out because he knew the Kings were thinking hard about that.
kingsfan28
Its A Kingspiracy !
I mean, why tell your employer you got arrested when it could effect not only your future employment, but money that is owed to you.
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