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Mike Richards VI (UGH): The Armageddon Edition (MOD NOTE POST #1)

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kingsfan28 said:
Yep, and just who told Dean? I can't see either Richards or his agent telling him an hour into the draft. It had to come from someone else, which looks even worse.
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I have a weird feeling to that it was Pierre.
 
Chazz Reinhold said:
That article was written by the same guy who tweeted that he was arrested. And not being charged with anything doesn't mean he wasn't arrested; those are two entirely separate issues.
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Exactly. Using Jarret Stoll as an example (given it's different country). He was aressted but not charge until almost 2 months later.
 
Richards could have had a bag put over his head and been whisked away by Canadian authorities to a highly secure detention center. There he is being pressed for information on oxy, walleye, and just what kind of person would buy rednex rebellion gear.

If I don't see any fishing or lake photos on his Twitter soon, I'm going to go ahead and assume it's true.
 
My guess is since the league has supported the Kings, even if Richards wins a potential grievance where he is payed the money he is owed or a portion of it, the league will continue with the recapture penalty for the Kings cap situation. I'm completely cool with that. Especially if it pisses off fans of the rest of the league.
 
People forget that Lombardi is a lawyer. He has plenty of experience dealing and reviewing contracts... Not sure if this has been mentioned, as I didn't go through every thread.....

Lombardi, as everyone knows is incredibly loyal to his players ( especially core members part of the cup winning teams) and I just can't imagine him terminating a contract without a strong case to be made for it going through... Just my opinion.
 
Jwm1986 said:
People forget that Lombardi is a lawyer. He has plenty of experience dealing and reviewing contracts... Not sure if this has been mentioned, as I didn't go through every thread.....

Lombardi, as everyone knows is incredibly loyal to his players ( especially core members part of the cup winning teams) and I just can't imagine him terminating a contract without a strong case to be made for it going through... Just my opinion.
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It has been mentioned and I think there is more. But the fact still stands that voiding a contract when it goes to arbitration is next to impossible without a criminal conviction in sports.
I think he thinks it can withstand scrutiny but that doesn't mean it will win. Just that he won't get laughed out of the hearing.
 
Haven't read in here since Tuesday but it has to be more than Oxycontin right? I mean that would not be enough to terminate.
 
tsanuri said:
It has been mentioned and I think there is more. But the fact still stands that voiding a contract when it goes to arbitration is next to impossible without a criminal conviction in sports.
I think he thinks it can withstand scrutiny but that doesn't mean it will win. Just that he won't get laughed out of the hearing.
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But even so, I've asked a few people of this, what would be the upside vs. downside of such a gambit? That is, putting forth a 'legitimate' case that you have a strong chance of losing? You're still going to end up with the cap hit and maybe an additional punishment in addition to image and relationship problems. It's a swing at a wild pitch.
 
Brad Doty said:
But even so, I've asked a few people of this, what would be the upside vs. downside of such a gambit? That is, putting forth a 'legitimate' case that you have a strong chance of losing? You're still going to end up with the cap hit and maybe an additional punishment in addition to image and relationship problems. It's a swing at a wild pitch.
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this is what I kept asking too, and never got a real response. it just doesn't make sense logically unless you have a rock solid case and/or silver bullet ready to go. it's NOT a win-win situation.
 
gnarls barkley said:
this is what I kept asking too, and never got a real response. it just doesn't make sense logically unless you have a rock solid case and/or silver bullet ready to go. it's NOT a win-win situation.
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Talk about a tough position to be in.....what's DL's alternative? Make the trade with knowledge of MR's transgression? Then have the trade partner demand it be rescinded, thus giving the Kings concrete proof that MR materially breached the SPC by making himself impossible to trade?

While that would make DL's case for SPC termination a lot more solid in arbitration, he'd then lose face with every other GM by making a trade without full disclosure.
 
Buddy The Elf said:
My guess is since the league has supported the Kings, even if Richards wins a potential grievance where he is payed the money he is owed or a portion of it, the league will continue with the recapture penalty for the Kings cap situation. I'm completely cool with that. Especially if it pisses off fans of the rest of the league.
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The Players Union won't support that. They are worried about the next player that might get all this heaped on them. It not just about Mike getting his money. Since the buyout ended, I imagine the union will want Mike back on his full contract. Mike is not a UFA to them. That's tough.
 
Jwm1986 said:
People forget that Lombardi is a lawyer. He has plenty of experience dealing and reviewing contracts... Not sure if this has been mentioned, as I didn't go through every thread.....

Lombardi, as everyone knows is incredibly loyal to his players ( especially core members part of the cup winning teams) and I just can't imagine him terminating a contract without a strong case to be made for it going through... Just my opinion.
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not only a lawyer, but he specialized in labor law and at one point was a players agent. papa Deano knows what hes doing
 
Minor Boarding said:
The trade boards (frenzy boards) is reaching level ****ing stupid. About 1000 "lawyers" post in the Richards thread, none of them has any confirmed informations, but they already know the outcome of the grievance process that hasn't been even filled yet.

I don't even...
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I can't even read that thread anymore it's gotten so nonsensical.

I come here to get updated on the Richards situation.
 
Brad Doty said:
But even so, I've asked a few people of this, what would be the upside vs. downside of such a gambit? That is, putting forth a 'legitimate' case that you have a strong chance of losing? You're still going to end up with the cap hit and maybe an additional punishment in addition to image and relationship problems. It's a swing at a wild pitch.
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I think they hope he signs with another team and then he ends up as a buyout since the arbitrator isn't likely to void that contract.
So they were prepared to deal with the buyout if they didn't get what they wanted on the trade front but this is the better of two evils as it were. And if they win they are in better shape than the buyout.
 
HeadInjury said:
Everyone is just speculating without knowing all the facts.

It's a pointless exercise.
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Oh, how I agree with that statement; off season is always boring anyway, so fans have concentrated on something they know nothing about. When actually all posts should just contain ????????
I'm personally just sad that Kings have now lost Regehr,Williams, and Sekera. As for Richards and Stoll......good riddance to both.:popcorn:
 
This is a response I posted to a well-known Lombardi hater. I think this is all we know at this point in time.

Again, the NHL has terminated the contract in their central registry.

The NHL has told the Kings that they are on the hook for the recapture penalty.

These are facts, not my opinion. The NHLPA can file a grievance against the NHL, and I am sure they will. Based on the FACTS it doesn't appear any arbitrator's decision is going to affect the Kings' salary cap. As badly as you want it to happen, the NHL has already decided that it's not going to happen.

There is no cap circumvention. As far as the NHL is concerned the Kings are going to be cap compliant and meeting their obligations by including the recapture penalty in their salary cap calculations for the next 5 years. I know you HATE this FACT, but the NHL has already made a decision. That decision has nothing to do with the NHLPA and how much money the player may or may not eventually receive.
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efhank said:
The Players Union won't support that. They are worried about the next player that might get all this heaped on them. It not just about Mike getting his money. Since the buyout ended, I imagine the union will want Mike back on his full contract. Mike is not a UFA to them. That's tough.
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Why isn't it just about Richards getting his money. At this point he has a bone to pick with the NHL, not the Kings.

The Kings terminated Richards contract with the league's consent. The NHL deleted the contract from it's central registry and declared Richards to be a free agent (the Kings didn't do this).

The NHL further ruled that the Kings will be on the hook for the recapture penalty for the next five years and that they will be cap compliant if that penalty is included in their cap calculations.

Seems to me that any or all of Richards remaining issues are with the NHL, not the Kings.
 
Leafswillrulesometim said:
I can't even read that thread anymore it's gotten so nonsensical.

I come here to get updated on the Richards situation.
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The thread on the business board is a much more level-headed discussion (as always). More of a debate on the legality of the whole thing and what each side has going for it.
 
KINGS17 said:
Why isn't it just about Richards getting his money. At this point he has a bone to pick with the NHL, not the Kings.

The Kings terminated Richards contract with the league's consent. The NHL deleted the contract from it's central registry and declared Richards to be a free agent (the Kings didn't do this).

The NHL further ruled that the Kings will be on the hook for the recapture penalty for the next five years and that they will be cap compliant if that penalty is included in their cap calculations.

Seems to me that any or all of Richards remaining issues are with the NHL, not the Kings.
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The PA has an interest in protecting all players.
 
After getting caught with all the drugs an officer told Richards that he's in deep trouble and his NHL days could be completely behind him. He may also be looking at deportation. Mike Richards nervously nodded in understanding as tiny beads of sweat trickled down his brow. An awkward silence held in the air like a thick fog. Finally, a trembly voice broke through as Richards asked, "But will I still be able to fish?"
 
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