Mike Richards VI (UGH): The Armageddon Edition (MOD NOTE POST #1)
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Kinda surprised that we haven't heard anything from the NHLPA on this by now. They must be waiting for the results of the investigation.
They have 60 days to file a grievance, so I'm not holding my breath.
There was speculation that they would make a determination and respond accordingly in the next two to four weeks.
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This, wait until the Police make an announcement or the NHL, NHLPA or Kings make an announcement explaining things.
The other thing is DL has at times seemed more like a father then a GM. He has been extremely loyal to his players, and has stood behind them when trouble or issues have arose in the past. ie) Voynov, Doughty, Richards original buyout, trading Bernier upon request.
DL also had two trade partners lining up at the draft. In my opinion and my law enforcement background there is more to the story then what has been released.
No use blowing a gasket until the info is known, that could take a while.
In the mean time the team remains in limbo over legal precedings on two players. Would DL have handcuffed himself so bad if he was not confident in what he was doing.
I agree. At first I was worried this was a rash decision (how do you assemble your legal team on a Friday afternoon and weekend and make a marginal call that quickly). Most likely the entire brain trust was right there on site anyway, not to mention the league's team. This had to viewed as a no-brainer.
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I was also stressing this in the other main thread in the FA forum. Not saying just because someone's a lawyer, they're golden, but I'd expect them (especially as a GM) to understand the CBA and know how to do proper research if needed. I can't imagine there wasn't some time spent analyzing the situation and making sure the situation passes some bright line tests in the CBA before going through with the termination. For DL to do a total gunslinging move to terminate a contract on a whim, knowing full well that arbitration awaits, just doesn't add up.
This better be more than simple drug possession, otherwise there should be stiff penalties.
I mean, a promising, young defenseman, that has been charged with domestic violence isn't terminated(maybe he will still be terminated, just convicted recently) but an older, disappointing contract, is terminated after an arrest(not charged) for drug possession(based on current information available to us). From reading several articles the CBA has special provisions in it to help players with substance abuse problems and you have to be a repeat offender before drugs are grounds for termination.
All the people saying the NHL approved the termination, I don't give that much weight. My guess is that there are certain guidelines that would prevent blatantly obvious wrongful terminations but outside of that they rubber stamp it and let arbitration/lawyers figure it out.
In the end this smells to me like an attempt to circumvent the salary cap and if it turns out that the arbitrator agrees I hope no settlement is taken, this would open the door for more shenanigans.
I mean, a promising, young defenseman, that has been charged with domestic violence isn't terminated(maybe he will still be terminated, just convicted recently) but an older, disappointing contract, is terminated after an arrest(not charged) for drug possession(based on current information available to us). From reading several articles the CBA has special provisions in it to help players with substance abuse problems and you have to be a repeat offender before drugs are grounds for termination.
All the people saying the NHL approved the termination, I don't give that much weight. My guess is that there are certain guidelines that would prevent blatantly obvious wrongful terminations but outside of that they rubber stamp it and let arbitration/lawyers figure it out.
In the end this smells to me like an attempt to circumvent the salary cap and if it turns out that the arbitrator agrees I hope no settlement is taken, this would open the door for more shenanigans.
KINGS17
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Really? Cause it could smell an awful lot like an employee withholding information from their employer until they get a big fat severence check.
I wonder several things!
1. I believe he crossed the border. 2. I believe he had Oxy. 3. I'm not sure he was ever arrested. 4. I believe he was detained for a few hours. 5. I believe he was not charged with anything.
If all that happened here is that he was detained at the border for a few hours and asked questions and then let go, this would all seem very lame! If he were actually arrested, then maybe he should have called the team, I agree.
1. I believe he crossed the border. 2. I believe he had Oxy. 3. I'm not sure he was ever arrested. 4. I believe he was detained for a few hours. 5. I believe he was not charged with anything.
If all that happened here is that he was detained at the border for a few hours and asked questions and then let go, this would all seem very lame! If he were actually arrested, then maybe he should have called the team, I agree.
kingsfan28
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This is how I also view it. He was under contract and is obligated to tell his employer about the incident, not hide it for 9 days only to have it surface during formal trade talks. It made him untradeable .
Not sure he is required to do so. Where in his contract does it state he has to inform his employer, especially if he was never charged? You have used that argument several times and when people called you on it you go silent. Your arguments are weak sir!
kingsfan
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I'd assume a contract for an athlete would/could hold a cause regarding expectations to keep your body in as good of shape as possible, and it's certainly not a leap to suggest that drug use would constitute a breach of the portion of the contract pertaining to keeping your body in shape.
It's probably withholding information of an arrest. From June 17 to right before the draft on June 26. That's nine full days, count 'em.
Perhaps you were forgetting the reports (confirmed by the other teams involved, Edmonton and Calgary) that unequivocally stated that there were trade talks involving Richards that had to be halted because of this information? Where does the term "shenanigans" even fit into this equation?
Sometimes I think fans from other teams come in here just to stir the pot. Any reasonably-thinking person wouldn't post such thoughtless nonsense.
onlyalad
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Many players have been busted with drugs
None have been terminated.
There has to be more
kingsfan
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The team doesn't have to terminate a guys contract even if they have grounds. As well, there's likely certain drugs that don't qualify for a termination.
Another brilliant legal opinion from the peanut gallery.
I guess you need to be set straight. Or otherwise learn some law while you are at it.
You are using the phrase "innocent until proven guilty." That is a phrase used in a criminal proceeding. Contract law is not part of criminal law. Civil law governs contract terms, not criminal.
Now that we got that straight, let's move on. You failed to address the point I made about the trades that were in the works that Lombardi had to call off, thanks to Richards' "shenanigans." (using your own terminology)
The Kings could have gotten some cap relief via trade, but no. Richards had to ruin it by withholding information for nine full days.
So, let's address the section of the CBA that addresses "material breach." There is only one such phrase in the entire CBA, and it is in the SPC itself:
Reporting arrests promptly to your employer is a standard provision of employment in most jobs in both countries, as I am sure you know. It seems reasonable to assume that this also exists in any professional team's rules governing its players.
You know you are a classy dude when you resort to namecalling!
I don't believe this is a valid reason to terminate a contract, I believe he should be in rehab according to the CBA. Unless this is not his first time which should have been disclosed to the trade partners unless you have double standards.
If I were arrested but not charged I wouldn't notify my employer and unless you can point me to a rule in his contract, the CBA or the teams rules I don't agree that he is responsible to do so and I don't agree that is grounds for termination of his contract.
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