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Mike Richards VI (UGH): The Armageddon Edition (MOD NOTE POST #1)

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Assuming the Oxy rumors are true, I don't see it being enough to terminate his contract. Richards has endured an extreme amount of physical abuse over his career, it shouldn't be surprising if we assume he was taking or addicted to pain killers. Yes it is serious, but even still, this would not be something he would be terminated for, even if he was driving a Mack Truck filled with them through the border. If there isn't anything more to the story, I don't see them having a leg to stand on when the NHLPA inevitably appeals.
 
I feel bad for Dean Lombardi, how many more of his players will continue to betray him? The more I think about it the more aggravating the whole thing is.
 
Telos said:
Assuming the Oxy rumors are true, I don't see it being enough to terminate his contract. Richards has endured an extreme amount of physical abuse over his career, it shouldn't be surprising if we assume he was taking or addicted to pain killers. Yes it is serious, but even still, this would not be something he would be terminated for, even if he was driving a Mack Truck filled with them through the border. If there isn't anything more to the story, I don't see them having a leg to stand on when the NHLPA inevitably appeals.
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Yeah, a conviction would be one thing... but I don't know how they plan on getting this through before sentencing. Hell, we don't even know if he's gonna be charged yet.
 
Telos said:
Assuming the Oxy rumors are true, I don't see it being enough to terminate his contract. Richards has endured an extreme amount of physical abuse over his career, it shouldn't be surprising if we assume he was taking or addicted to pain killers. Yes it is serious, but even still, this would not be something he would be terminated for, even if he was driving a Mack Truck filled with them through the border. If there isn't anything more to the story, I don't see them having a leg to stand on when the NHLPA inevitably appeals.
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I am sorry but if he is found guilty with intent to distribute a schedule 1 narcotic it could cost him at least 3 years in jail and that is ground for a breach of contract. So if he was driving his own car and carrying a large enough of an amount to warrant intent to distribute (100 to 200 pills depending on the pills. Oxycontin is anything over 100 pills but I am having trouble finding out the specific details for the region he was arrested in) then Richards is easily if charged going to have to spend time in court and if found guilty could end up doing time. Especially with such a strong painkiller as oxycontin. We aren't talking about tylenol #3's here. All speculation but it could absolutely be enough to warrant his being charged with intent to distribute and that would be a very serious thing. Of course it could also not be enough for the charge as of today we don't know.
 
417th said:
This keeps getting forgotten. We were in talks with 2 different teams looking to make a deal for Richards. DL is the person who backed out and told the other two GMs that they had a problem in moving MR. This will have to be taken into consideration during any arb hearing too. I don't know how significant of an impact that it could have but it will have to have one. The Kings were unable to move MR as a result of his own legal troubles. It will have an impact.
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Oh for sure it will. The fact that Richards withheld his arrest to benefit himself and protect his contract will hurt his case.
 
kingsfan28 said:
Oh for sure it will. The fact that Richards withheld his arrest to benefit himself and protect his contract will hurt his case.
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Absolutely. Especially in a case where the loss of the ability to travel to a country is a distinct possibility.
 
kingsfan28 said:
Oh for sure it will. The fact that Richards withheld his arrest to benefit himself and protect his contract will hurt his case.
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That is what I am thinking too. Add in the fact that we were unable to trade him due to the timing of his informing the team of his legal troubles and also the reason for his arrest and I think the Kings have a strong enough case to warrant approaching the league (which of course they did) for permission to move forward with terminating his contract (which the league supported entirely).
 
The Butcher said:
I feel bad for Dean Lombardi, how many more of his players will continue to betray him? The more I think about it the more aggravating the whole thing is.
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Same here. First perhaps Voynov, then definitely Stoll (and whoever else was partaking with him)...

Dean kinda put his ass on the line taking a risk on Richards last season and not only does Richards not fulfill his end of the agreement, he pulls this. I really hope Richards gets help and turns his life around, but I hope the Kings can get out of this contract.

I hope there's some serious soul searching going on in that locker room right now with anyone else involved in this stuff.

As far as the Oxy goes, it doesn't seem like it'd be big enough to terminate the contract in and of itself, but crossing the border probably adds a lot to the charges. It seems like otherwise, they'd plea it down to a misdemeanor like they did with Stoll.

JCabranes obviously knows more than I do about the law and he says this will probably stick so that carries some weight, especially considering You know DL and AEG lawyers talked about what to do when they heard the news. DL is a lawyer and was a player rep and you know AEG's got an army of experts for this. The NHL supported the decision. The NHL PA is going to have a real fight on their hands trying to overturn this one.

kingsfan28 said:
Oh for sure it will. The fact that Richards withheld his arrest to benefit himself and protect his contract will hurt his case.
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That's a good point. I hadn't thought of that.
 
ReverseSweep said:
Not sure how many of us go back this far but Bob Probert was prohibited from playing games in Canada when he was with Detroit for some time for cocaine possession and DUI. Canada finally lifted the ban, but it was pretty serious at the time.

So basically, he played all games on American ice, but could play on Canadian ice.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AIBAJ&sjid=igMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6694,2288801&hl=en
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I brought this up earlier too. Of course it was an entirely different NHL back then and the fact that there wasn't a cap etc made it easier to get Bob back into hockey.
 
417th said:
I am sorry but if he is found guilty with intent to distribute a schedule 1 narcotic it could cost him at least 3 years in jail and that is ground for a breach of contract. So if he was driving his own car and carrying a large enough of an amount to warrant intent to distribute (100 to 200 pills depending on the pills. Oxycontin is anything over 100 pills but I am having trouble finding out the specific details for the region he was arrested in) then Richards is easily if charged going to have to spend time in court and if found guilty could end up doing time. Especially with such a strong painkiller as oxycontin. We aren't talking about tylenol #3's here. All speculation but it could absolutely be enough to warrant his being charged with intent to distribute and that would be a very serious thing. Of course it could also not be enough for the charge as of today we don't know.
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If he possibly got serious jail time, then yes it sure would, but that is highly unlikely. Richards is now going to have his own skyscraper of legal representation behind him. Unless there was a dead body in the back, there's no way this gets that far. A small charge deal would be struck, kind of like Stoll's case. Their DA's aren't going to mess with this, their precedents aren't on the line.
 
417th said:
I am sorry but if he is found guilty with intent to distribute a schedule 1 narcotic it could cost him at least 3 years in jail and that is ground for a breach of contract. So if he was driving his own car and carrying a large enough of an amount to warrant intent to distribute (100 to 200 pills depending on the pills. Oxycontin is anything over 100 pills but I am having trouble finding out the specific details for the region he was arrested in) then Richards is easily if charged going to have to spend time in court and if found guilty could end up doing time. Especially with such a strong painkiller as oxycontin. We aren't talking about tylenol #3's here. All speculation but it could absolutely be enough to warrant his being charged with intent to distribute and that would be a very serious thing. Of course it could also not be enough for the charge as of today we don't know.
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Just a quick note....Oxy is a schedule II. Schedule I means they have no medical use. But I'm not sure how the crime plays out in Canada since it is in their jurisdiction. Hope he doesn't have any issues with addiction.

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/
 
ReverseSweep said:
Not sure how many of us go back this far but Bob Probert was prohibited from playing games in Canada when he was with Detroit for some time for cocaine possession and DUI. Canada finally lifted the ban, but it was pretty serious at the time.

So basically, he played all games on American ice, but could play on Canadian ice.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AIBAJ&sjid=igMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6694,2288801&hl=en
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Immigration law has changed dramatically since the Probert situation.
 
AKAY47 said:
Man, it's obviously severe. But to terminate a contract? That's not even close enough. This is going to set a precedent, it'll be historical. People/teams/owners/managers will look back on the Mike Richards situation and say "Wow, this is how you can get out of a ridiculous contract? Sign me up". OxyContin is nowhere close to being enough to terminate a contract. Stoll had cocaine on him, albeit his contract was up. Voynov alleged domestic violence. There's been graver instances that did not lead to a termination of a contract. What Lombardi needs is something historical, something that won't set a precedent and it'll have to trump cases because if it's that easy, teams will do it all the time.
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If it limits his travel, it negatively impacts the teams ability to compete.
And because of the cap, you cannot just go out and replace the guy.
 
Telos said:
If he possibly got serious jail time, then yes it sure would, but that is highly unlikely. Richards is now going to have his own skyscraper of legal representation behind him. Unless there was a dead body in the back, there's no way this gets that far. A small charge deal would be struck, kind of like Stoll's case.
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Maybe of course but do you think it is possible that he will have to spend a considerable amount of time fighting these charges and represent himself in person? I can tell you with certainty that in CA that he has to be present for several aspects of a legal matter of this type. It is 7/1, this isn't the sort of thing that can be settled within 8 weeks or so. He may not be able to report to camp but, the fact that his not being able to be traded due to his legal troubles can also be grounds for a breach of contract. His feet are in this from several angles.
 
417th said:
Maybe of course but do you think it is possible that he will have to spend a considerable amount of time fighting these charges and represent himself in person? I can tell you with certainty that in CA that he has to be present for several aspects of a legal matter of this type. It is 7/1, this isn't the sort of thing that can be settled within 8 weeks or so. He may not be able to report to camp but, the fact that his not being able to be traded due to his legal troubles can also be grounds for a breach of contract. His feet are in this from several angles.
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If that were the case, Voynov would be eligible and the NHLPA will just highlight how convenient it is to do this against Richards and not Voynov. If Voynov has the right to his money for his mistake, then the same right will carry over to Richards.
 
Well, since he was arrested for 4 hours, I think it's fairly safe to say that he didn't have a prescription for it. Most people carry prescriptions in bottles, which has the pharmacy phone number on it. Even if it was in a different container, it would be easy for any border agent to call the pharmacy where he had it filled anyway.

That's assuming he had Neo. If he had regular Oxy, that's a bigger issue, because there are no longer any prescriptions for that in Canada.
 
Martyros said:
I'm not a medical professional for the time being, but that does strike me odd. How could it have a medical use in one country but not the other?
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Some professional body of physicians and pharmacists utlimately decide which have legitimate uses and which don't. There's so much overlap in American and Canadian professions though, you would expect things like this to end up being virtually identical on both sides of the border.
 
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