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Mike Richards IV: Started From The Bottom, Still Here *MOD WARNING Post #194*

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Brown can still play at an NHL level and Richards can't, seems pretty simple to me.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Brown is the captain. He plays physical. He is in good shape. He has given his whole career to LA. He still holds value. His is a step down from Shane Doan.

When you are 5'-10", not in great shape, stopped shooting, stopped hitting and don't even have a letter...what are you good for at 5.75 million?

Brown is a -9 this year. That's not good, but he hasn't been a minus player since 2009-2010. That means he went 5 straights season as a + player.

Richards' has been a minus players every year as a King except this first year.
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So brown being the Captain, in good shape and getting 30 points a year is worth his nearly $6M cap hit? yes or no?
 
KINGS17 said:
Why would I need to do this. I am not offended by your style. You're the one crying about it.

These are not pie in the sky options. Buying out Richards is easily done. All it takes is money. Negotiating a good deal for the Kings with Kopitar can be done.

Some of you are people I would like to be sitting across the table with in a negotiation, that's for sure.
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Hey, with that kinda attitude, I wish I was negotiating with you. "Come on KINGS17, all it takes is money"! :sarcasm:
 
Johnny Utah said:
No. But read the above post. He is still an NHL player. Richards' is not and people who are smarter than us like Lombardi and Blake agree.
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Ok.. then once the Mike Richards situation ends, this will be the primary focus. Which is what I was posting about in the first place. I'm not disputing Brown is an NHL player. But his production and his contribution to the team is not commensurate with the cap hit and it more than likely won't be moving forward. You keep talking about his past performance. I don't care what he did. He was receiving a pay check to do what he did then. I'm talking about his cap hit and what he contributes now.

Comparing him to Mike Richards is setting the bar fairly low. I think you'd all agree with that.
 
Buddy The Elf said:
Hey, with that kinda attitude, I wish I was negotiating with you. "Come on KINGS17, all it takes is money"! :sarcasm:
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When it comes to buying out a player, I am sure no owner likes it.

The fact that a buy out of Richards' contract was discussed last summer indicates to me that Dean has Uncle Phil's blessing when it comes to spending money on the buy out.

Let's keep what I wrote in context, because you definitely did not do that. The Richards buy out is not a negotiation. Kopitar's next contract is a negotiation. Plenty of people here would just throw money and term at Kopitar. That's a bad idea.
 
KINGS17 said:
When it comes to buying out a player, I am sure no owner likes it.

The fact that a buy out of Richards' contract was discussed last summer indicates to me that Dean has Uncle Phil's blessing when it comes to spending money on the buy out.

Let's keep what I wrote in context, because you definitely did not do that. The Richards buy out is not a negotiation. Kopitar's next contract is a negotiation. Plenty of people here would just throw money and term at Kopitar. That's a bad idea.
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All I'm saying is those buyout dollars are real dollars. I said it before, I'm sure the last thing DL wants to do is ask for PHil to flush money down the toilet if for the only reason, it makes him look bad.

I don't disagree with what you said about Kopitar. I think a lot of that discussion is premature because I'm almost certain they'll agree to a reasonable deal. Espcially when you look at what Carter makes and what the is contributing.
 
Phil is flushing money down the toilet on Richards regardless, whether it's $20m over the next five years to very likely be playing in Ontario for the Reign , $20m right now to go away and free up cap space for his team or $10m in retention salary + whatever hockey assets are going to the team taking on the contract.

I am with K17 here, I just have a hard time seeing anyone being willing to take on Richards at $2.9m a year (max retention) in cap hit for the next five years without forcing the Kings to pay big time in picks or prospects coming back. Teams know the Kings are up against the cap and in win now mode for the next 3-5 years, no one is going to do the Kings any favors by taking on an AHL player for that much money. Calgary wanted Toffoli (not happening) and other teams will want a similar type return, no one is making the trade for Richards, it's what is coming with him that is important to the other teams.
 
Buddy The Elf said:
All I'm saying is those buyout dollars are real dollars. I said it before, I'm sure the last thing DL wants to do is ask for PHil to flush money down the toilet if for the only reason, it makes him look bad.

I don't disagree with what you said about Kopitar. I think a lot of that discussion is premature because I'm almost certain they'll agree to a reasonable deal. Espcially when you look at what Carter makes and what the is contributing.
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The Richards' contract is a sunk cost, a necessary expense if you will to get the Kings over the hump to winning their first cup. Phil deals with sunk costs all the time. The money for the Richards' contract has already been flushed down the toilet so to speak. Barring a trade the Kings are going to pay Richards that money no matter what.

The question that remains now is would you rather pay him less in terms of cap hit now to go away, or more in cap hit to stay? That's a pretty easy one to answer IMO.

Agree with you on Kopitar, I think he will give Dean a fair deal that allows the Kings to remain contenders. I don't see why some people think he should get $9M a season for 8 years, that's all.
 
Johnny Utah said:
You have a hard time imagining it but both John Hoven and Jon Rosen have said teams are still interested.
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Yeah, they're interested in Richards and how much are the Kings going to retain, and PLUS WHAT ELSE. The plus what else is where the real interest lies.
 
Johnny Utah said:
You have a hard time imagining it but both John Hoven and Jon Rosen have said teams are still interested.
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Because of the assets they are getting coming back.

I mean hypothetically if the Kings were rebuilding bottom feeders and the Leafs were contending for the cup would we have taken Clarkson, a prospect and a pick for a 7th rounder. Would have been win-win for both teams.

The Kings need to find someone like that, and apparently teams were interested but the Kings are not giving up Toffoli or Pearson, and if that is the asking price the Kings are better off going the buyout route.
 
:laugh: This is great... People will be much more relaxed about the Richards/Brown deals when they realize the Cup window is slamming shut.

AEG owes us a buyout!!!!! :sarcasm:
 
CowMix said:
Brown can still play at an NHL level and Richards can't, seems pretty simple to me.
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Not true. The problem with Richards was his cap hit compared to his level of play. I think he is a way better player than Clifford and Nolan, for example, and yet they play in the NHL, while he plays in the AHL for the time being. I suspect now that the trade deadline passed and we are stuck with his salary, he will be called up a few weeks before the playoffs (if we make it).
 
AlphaBravo said:
Not true. The problem with Richards was his cap hit compared to his level of play. I think he is a way better player than Clifford and Nolan, for example, and yet they play in the NHL, while he plays in the AHL for the time being. I suspect now that the trade deadline passed and we are stuck with his salary, he will be called up a few weeks before the playoffs (if we make it).
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It is true, if it was only a cap issue then Richards would not be in Manchester because, with the new CBA, sending him down is barely giving us any cap relief. And you can simply look at the production of the 4th line since Richards was sent down to see the difference.
 
AlphaBravo said:
Not true. The problem with Richards was his cap hit compared to his level of play. I think he is a way better player than Clifford and Nolan, for example, and yet they play in the NHL, while he plays in the AHL for the time being. I suspect now that the trade deadline passed and we are stuck with his salary, he will be called up a few weeks before the playoffs (if we make it).
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Not true, because the Kings are eating all of that cap hit minus $900,000. If Richards could help the Kings win games more than Nolan or Clifford can at this time, he would be in the lineup over them.

The truth is the Kings have 23 skaters on the roster that are better than Mike Richards.
 
KINGS17 said:
Not true, because the Kings are eating all of that cap hit minus $900,000. If Richards could help the Kings win games more than Nolan or Clifford can at this time, he would be in the lineup over them.

The truth is the Kings have 23 skaters on the roster that are better than Mike Richards.
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:laugh: Pure comedy.... thanks for the laughs!!!
 
KINGS17 said:
Not true, because the Kings are eating all of that cap hit minus $900,000. If Richards could help the Kings win games more than Nolan or Clifford can at this time, he would be in the lineup over them.

The truth is the Kings have 23 skaters on the roster that are better than Mike Richards.
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Then how is not true. You think $900,000 was not significant before the trade deadline? There is already a report on LaKingsinsider that Richards will likely get called up before the playoffs. Below is the quote:

"There’s a good chance that Richards re-joins the Kings later in the season as the team continues its playoff push; we’re still a little ways from that becoming an imminent possibility."
 
AlphaBravo said:
Then how is not true. You think $900,000 was not significant before the trade deadline? There is already a report on LaKingsinsider that Richards will likely get called up before the playoffs. Below is the quote:

"There’s a good chance that Richards re-joins the Kings later in the season as the team continues its playoff push; we’re still a little ways from that becoming an imminent possibility."
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We currently have over 2 million in cap space we do not need Richards in Manchester for any cap reasons. If he was only there for cap reasons for possible trades then he would have been immediately recalled after the deadline since there would be no further reason to keep him there. Insider is basically saying that Richards will probably be called up like the Black Aces are every year, that doesn't mean he will play.
 
CowMix said:
We currently have over 2 million in cap space we do not need Richards in Manchester for any cap reasons. If he was only there for cap reasons for possible trades then he would have been immediately recalled after the deadline since there would be no further reason to keep him there. Insider is basically saying that Richards will probably be called up like the Black Aces are every year, that doesn't mean he will play.
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I think that insider is saying for the playoff push, not as a black ace. Technically, there is no roster limit right now, and the Kings can bring up whoever they want. The 23 man roster transitioned to unlimited yesterday.
 
Fishhead said:
I think that insider is saying for the playoff push, not as a black ace. Technically, there is no roster limit right now, and the Kings can bring up whoever they want. The 23 man roster transitioned to unlimited yesterday.
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Either way Richards is not in Manchester because of his cap hit.
 
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