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Mike Richards IV: Started From The Bottom, Still Here *MOD WARNING Post #194*

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Dustin Browns contract is worse.

He is still a useful player. But the Kings are paying damn near 6 million for a 15 goal 15 assists player from here out most likely.
 
I said last year that his contract was more alarming. I don't care how much energy he plays with or how well he's looked, he needs to start putting up points. And at this stage, I don't see it happening. Hopefully he has a strong playoffs.
 
Herby said:
I still don't believe there would be serious value unless the Kings retained over 60% of the salary. Even at 50% that is still almost $3m for a player who played like a league minimum caliber player over his final 120 games in the league, and for the next five seasons? I just don't see it.

If MR suddenly became an UFA what do you think someone would sign him for? And for how many years?

The years on this contract are just as bad as the money.
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It's going to be a buy out Herby, plain and simple. No GM is going to be stupid enough to take that contract, unless Lombardi really is including Toffoli or Pearson in the deal.

damacles1156 said:
Dustin Browns contract is worse.

He is still a useful player. But the Kings are paying damn near 6 million for a 15 goal 15 assists player from here out most likely.
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Again, I don't see what Brown being overpaid has to do with what Dean should do about Mike Richards.
 
KINGS17 said:
A decent player on a crap team. Yeah, maybe Richards can still be that. The problem with this comparison though is that Scott Gomez is on a two-way contract that only pays him $550,000 a season in the NHL.



Well folks if damacles is the Kings' accountant, get ready for some really frustrating times, because the Kings aren't going to win another cup with Richards on the roster, or carrying $4M+ in dead cap space. We just wasted Drew Doughty's best years.
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this. all of this.
 
Brown will never score 20 goals ever again or 30 assists.

Unless Sutter just leaves him with Kopitar. It's never happening again, ever.
 
KINGS17 said:
A decent player on a crap team. Yeah, maybe Richards can still be that. The problem with this comparison though is that Scott Gomez is on a two-way contract that only pays him $550,000 a season in the NHL.



Well folks if damacles is the Kings' accountant, get ready for some really frustrating times, because the Kings aren't going to win another cup with Richards on the roster, or carrying $4M+ in dead cap space. We just wasted Drew Doughty's best years.
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I never said AEG wouldnt give Lombardi the ok. I said it's not an easy sell like everyone makes it out to be.
I work in the financial market , have for 20 years.

It's not easy to go to any boss and say "I need 20 million dollars to make a problem go away, that I helped create". Trust me, you don't want to have that conversation with your boss.

Even if he is a billionaire.

Plenty of people around here were thumping their chest "Oh Richards will be gone by the deadline"....How did that turn out for them ?

It's not easy to move Richards, or buy him out. If that was the case, it would have been done by now.
 
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Reclamation Project said:
I've met a few billionaires in person (all real estate and construction based) and they're the stingiest SOBs you'll ever meet. One complained about paying for water in a steakhouse. Water.
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That's how they stay rich. I've noticed living in Irvine that all the rich families use coupons and when I cross over to another city, the percentage of people using them drops.
 
Jeff18 said:
That's how they stay rich. I've noticed living in Irvine that all the rich families use coupons and when I cross over to another city, the percentage of people using them drops.
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This guy threw a fit. I had to bit my tongue. I wanted to laugh so hard.

"It was on the table when we got here!"
 
damacles1156 said:
I never said AEG wouldnt give Lombardi the ok. I said it's not an easy sell like everyone makes it out to be.
I work in the financial market , have for 20 years.

It's not easy to go to any boss and say "I need 20 million dollars to make a problem go away, that I helped create". Trust me, you don't want to have that conversation with your boss.

Even if he is a billionaire.
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How about this then:

"Boss, remember that horse I picked up a few years ago that won us our first Stanley Cup, which led to another Stanley Cup? Yeah, it's broken down now and the best for all concerned is to take it out behind the barn and shoot it. Sure it was expensive, but it has already paid for itself."
 
damacles1156 said:
Dustin Browns contract is worse.

He is still a useful player. But the Kings are paying damn near 6 million for a 15 goal 15 assists player from here out most likely.
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15? I wish! The Captain is on pace for 13.
 
KINGS17 said:
How about this then:

"Boss, remember that horse I picked up a few years ago that won us our first Stanley Cup, which led to another Stanley Cup? Yeah, it's broken down now and the best for all concerned is to take it out behind the barn and shoot it. Sure it was expensive, but it has already paid for itself."
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If it was that easy,

Richards would have been bought out long ago. Or traded at the deadline, with the Kings retaining 50/60%

He is Still an LA Kings property.
 
damacles1156 said:
If it was that easy,

Richards would have been bought out long ago. Or traded at the deadline.
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Can't trade a player that other teams don't want unless you add some major sweetener in the form of a young player.

Richards wasn't bought out last summer because Dean made a decision with his heart instead of his head. That won't be happening this summer.
 
The Kings could of still retained 60%.

A team would have moved on Richards at 60% retention.

That's still better than a buyout. Lombardi could have offered that.
 
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If Calgary was interested they would have took him at or near the deadline to help with a playoff push.

Toronto is not interested, especially since they just got rid of some of their bad contracts.

Shanny righted their cap for the moment, no need to take Richards, and screw it up again. Even at 30% retained it's a bad contract. Lombardi needs to bump that to 50% for teams to really be interested, in taking a chance.

Toronto also still needs to deal with Dion's god awful contract, also kessel's.
 
It all comes down to which one Dean wants - huge cap hit over two seasons and a smaller cap hit toward the end (buyout), or a sustained moderate cap hit for the rest of his deal (retention). Third scenario is also a bigger package with less retention.
 
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Reclamation Project said:
It all comes down to which one Dean wants - huge cap hit over two seasons and a smaller cap hit toward the end (buyout), or a sustained moderate cap hit for the rest of his deal (retention). Third scenario is also a bigger package with less retention.
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My money's on retention. This would give a moderate cap hit over 5 years, not 10 from a buyout. Also wouldn't cost AEG more money, just the team would have a lower salary cap. Retention also lowers the cap recapture if Richards were to retire before the contract is up.


KINGS17 said:
Well folks if damacles is the Kings' accountant, get ready for some really frustrating times, because the Kings aren't going to win another cup with Richards on the roster, or carrying $4M+ in dead cap space. We just wasted Drew Doughty's best years.
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And you've figured it out. This is the last shot for this version of the team. The cap dictates that there will be changes next year. So... Regehr/Stoll/Willimas... maybe Richards are probably gone, for various reasons... that is a large amount of turnover... without new players stepping in like Toffoli/Pearson did and killing it, going for a cup is going to be unlikely.

The next step is acceptance... then you can look back appreciate the magic Lombardi has pulled off.

Instead of a win now situation it would be more of player development/team building and seeing what happens as far as making the playoffs.... Buying out Richards doesn't change that.
 
Trolfoli said:
And you've figured it out. This is the last shot for this version of the team. The cap dictates that there will be changes next year. So... Regehr/Stoll/Willimas... maybe Richards are probably gone, for various reasons... that is a large amount of turnover... without new players stepping in like Toffoli/Pearson did and killing it, going for a cup is going to be unlikely.

The next step is acceptance... then you can look back appreciate the magic Lombardi has pulled off.

Instead of a win now situation it would be more of player development/team building and seeing what happens as far as making the playoffs.... Buying out Richards doesn't change that.
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I haven't just figured it out. Anyone around here with half a brain knows that the supporting cast was going to have to change at some point. The core is still Kopitar, Carter, Doughty, and Quick. The Kings are fortunate to have Pearson and Toffoli coming along well. They still have a solid supporting cast on the blue line as well. As long as the Kings have that core, they are in "win now" mode. Since the team is in "win now" mode getting rid of the Richards' contract one way or another has a big impact on Lombardi's ability to improve the roster.

Big hole to fill at #3 center to fill and a couple of wingers are required to round out the lineup next season.

If you have been around here for a number of years and know all the BS some of us "Dumbardi" supporters had put up with, you would know that I well appreciate what Dean did with this team.
 
I am interested to see how Kopitar play's next season, He is exiting his prime production years. We may have gotten a glimpse of it this season (erratic play). Still on pace for 70 points, but boy did Kopitar take the hard road to his career average.

Brown is already there, passed his prime.

Quick is also getting older.

Doughty is the only guy right in the middle of his prime production years.

Jeff Carter is just in phenomenal shape. He is seriously fit, and it shows.
 
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