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BHD said:
Rightly or wrongly, he took a lot of criticism in Florida. He then solidified his game in Pittsburgh, and is now a veteran presence in Montreal. IMHO, the Habs should keep him around. You can't have all youth on the back end.
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Montreal will move Matheson but doubt this year. Unless they get blown away?

Problem is we are stacked on left side. Guhle is future #1. Wifi is at least bottom pairing and we have Hutson arriving in NHL next year. Not to mention solid prospects in Harris, Norlinder and Engstrom,
 
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Junohockeyfan said:
Montreal needs Matheson. Period. What is wrong with Habs fans?
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Do you? Matheson's analytics are some of the worst on your team. Nice offensive player from the backend, but his defensive performance metrics are a disaster.

Only Jordan Harris has worse.

I was wrong about Barron though. He's playing great for y'all so far. 200 feet as well. Barron has good defensive metrics on top of his good offensive ones. You guys may be onto something with him. Something important for the Habs overall development if his play holds.
 
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McJedi said:
Do you? Matheson's analytics are some of the worst on your team. Nice offensive player from the backend, but his defensive performance metrics are a disaster.

Only Jordan Harris has worse.

I was wrong about Barron though. He's playing great for y'all so far. 200 feet as well. Barron has good defensive metrics on top of his good offensive ones. You guys may be onto something with him. Something important for the Habs overall development if his play holds.
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You need to stop relying on stat /analytics watching. Barron is not out of the woods - he is still very inconsistent .

Matheson is a stabilizing influence on the Habs. He’s not a top pairing D nor is he paid as one. He’s a #3 that has to play against the other team’s best players. He is one of the few Habs that can skate the puck out of the D zone when under pressure.

Guhle has been extremely good in his return. Book is still out on Guhle.
 
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Stompin Paul Peller said:
Montreal will move Matheson but doubt this year. Unless they get blown away?

Problem is we are stacked on left side. Guhle is future #1. Wifi is at least bottom pairing and we have Hutson arriving in NHL next year. Not to mention solid prospects in Harris, Norlinder and Engstrom,
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Good luck with Hutson at 148 lbs playing defense in the NHL. :noway:
 
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Every team needs to have a #1 D even if they aren’t very good. That doesn’t mean they will be the same player when given much less responsibility on a better team.

Just look at San Jose last year. And look at how Karlsson is this year.

Matheson will go back to being an overpaid bum if he isn’t given a world of opportunity just like in Florida.
 
Craft Beer Maven said:
Good luck with Hutson at 148 lbs playing defense in the NHL. :noway:
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Craft Beer Maven said:
Sure he’s 168 lbs. And I’ve got some swamp land for sale in Florida. :shakehead

He’s going to get thrown around like a rag doll by NHL forwards. :facepalm:
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he'll probably be at 175 pounds next year , only 19 pounds to get to Quinn size

Does Quinn gets thrown around like a rag doll ?

Also Hutson knows how to dodge these big hits

My guess your a hater
 
Junohockeyfan said:
You need to stop relying on stat /analytics watching. Barron is not out of the woods - he is still very inconsistent .

Matheson is a stabilizing influence on the Habs. He’s not a top pairing D nor is he paid as one. He’s a #3 that has to play against the other team’s best players. He is one of the few Habs that can skate the puck out of the D zone when under pressure.

Guhle has been extremely good in his return. Book is still out on Guhle.
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Guhle may be your best player on the entire club. Or he's going to become that. He's promising. I'd agree that book on him is... PLAYER. Great pick by your former GM. I'd easily rate his value as much higher than Slafkovsky.

BTW... you and I have argued about Byram before... His advanced stats are quite a bit better than Makar's so far this season. He's off to a fantastic start to this season as a really well rounded 200 foot player. He's got the best analytics of any Avs defender by a healthy margin. Girard is actually 2nd in that regard. He too is playing great hockey to start the year. Oddly enough, D Toews is the one off to the blah start to this year for the Avs. He's been playing like a middle pair guy.

You need to stop relying on the eye test so much. You probably don't focus on Matheson in terms of how he manages the rush, his gap control away from the puck, his net front defense and so on. It's not in our brains to watch that when the puck is what we follow.

Matheson has very good analytics with the puck, which confirm your POV on him in that regard. I've said as much myself. Those same analytics freaking suck for Matheson with his away from the puck and/or when the other team has it. He's not nearly as good a player as the Habs board indicates. He's also inconsistent and being played in a role he's not defensively able to handle. Hardly the stuff GMs want to acquire at the TDL. Most playoff teams already have one or two excellent puck movers out of the back. They tend to want and overpay for size and defensive grit heading into the post season. They don't go wild for the Tyson Berrie types, which is what your boy here falls into moreso than the Chiarot bucket.

Because you and most Habs fans very much want to eventually dump Matheson and certainly Josh Anderson for younger players or picks... you overrate these two. But NHL GMs will not.

Funny enough. Gallagher is off to pretty good analytical start to his season. I don't watch him at all, but his underlying stats are pretty good. Good for him. He was a good player a few years ago.
 
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So the advanced stats say that Gallager is good, but Matheson is bad ?
Maybe we should rely some more on the eye test rather than stat watching.

Matheson has had a rough time in the latest games, coming back from injury. I wouldn't rely on such a small sample to judge the player. Maybe you'd want to check some of last season's stats too to build a better idea about his play.

Anyway, he probably won't be traded this year. But at some point, something will have to give on the LHD side of defense for the habs, with all those prospects with potential at that position.

He is not a #1 on most teams, but someone suggested he was a good #3, which is about the value I give him too. He is better than a specialist. But yes, defensively, he is not perfect, indeed !
He is on a good contract though.
He has value, more than a 3rd pair hitting/shot blocking monster and definatly more than Gallagher's lol
 
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Chose said:
So the advanced stats say that Gallager is good, but Matheson is bad ?
Maybe we should rely some more on the eye test rather than stat watching.

Matheson has had a rough time in the latest games, coming back from injury. I wouldn't rely on such a small sample to judge the player. Maybe you'd want to check some of last season's stats too to build a better idea about his play.

Anyway, he probably won't be traded this year. But at some point, something will have to give on the LHD side of defense for the habs, with all those prospects with potential at that position.

He is not a #1 on most teams, but someone suggested he was a good #3, which is about the value I give him too. He is better than a specialist. But yes, defensively, he is not perfect, indeed !
He is on a good contract though.
He has value, more than a 3rd pair hitting/shot blocking monster and definatly more than Gallagher's lol
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Good contract? He earns same money as total of 5 other dmen in lineup tonight. 4.875 is 5th on team. Of course if you compare to BG well he is a bargain indeed.
 
I'm not sure what teams even want what he brings and can earmark ~5m the next two years for him. Most contenders have LD PP1 guys already. If Montreal is willing to retain 50% then I think there will be a healthy market for him but without retention a lot of teams just aren't going to consider it unless they want to replace a guy in their top 4.
 
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Poppy Whoa Sonnet said:
I'm not sure what teams even want what he brings and can earmark ~5m the next two years for him. Most contenders have LD PP1 guys already. If Montreal is willing to retain 50% then I think there will be a healthy market for him but without retention a lot of teams just aren't going to consider it unless they want to replace a guy in their top 4.
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exactly. Matheson will be tough to trade since anyone good already has at least one and probably two better puck movers/defenders than him in their top 4. Making his AAV hard to stomach unless they send back an equal level contract to the Habs.

Injuries are probably their best bet to find a team that would be able to take him on by using LTIR. That's certainly not an unheard of scenario.

But a good, playoff caliber team calling the Habs to say, "we really need Matheson, here are some picks for him and no, we don't need to send back any contracts you don't not want"

That ain't happening.
 
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I could see the Blues be willing to pay a lot to get him to replace Krug for example, but you need Krug to waive his NTC and Canadiens to want Krug...not going to happen. Maybe Leddy similarly, who also has a NTC? I don't think Montreal is interested in that at all, given they are trading their 1sts for young roster players.
 
Matheson is definitely better than most people seem to think and he is also he will be 30yo he is in his prime, he is one of the better skater in the NHL,he isn’t a over the hill player or washed, even if you only consider him a good top 4 at 4.875M$ for 2 more years is very good value and fit the most contender time line. He is definitely worth a 1st + a prospect, just for the fact that MTL doesn’t need to trade him so need to get a good offer to even consider it. Also we have seen D traded at the deadline Savard, Chariot, Gavrikov and Kulak… they all received significant value Matheson is better than all these guys and isn’t a pure rental.
 
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Slafy said:
Top 2 LHD
PP specialiste
His contrat is gold

What would be the value.
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In a good team he's a #5 def or 6.
By example in carolina colorado vegas boston rangers new jersey he's borderline to don't crack the lineup.
The big problem now is PP minutes. Good team play their 1st pp 1h30 at least. So it doesn't left enough ice time in pp to put number on the board

But Yes in a middle team who doesn't have a good PP def he can be a good addition
 
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McJedi said:
Do you? Matheson's analytics are some of the worst on your team. Nice offensive player from the backend, but his defensive performance metrics are a disaster.

Only Jordan Harris has worse.

I was wrong about Barron though. He's playing great for y'all so far. 200 feet as well. Barron has good defensive metrics on top of his good offensive ones. You guys may be onto something with him. Something important for the Habs overall development if his play holds.
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Again, why you can't rely on analytics alone.
They are a great complement, but not an ultimate at all right now.
 
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