Player Discussion Mike Matheson
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Mrb1p
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Well for Hudson sure but not for Guhle, it's been two seasons of Matheson being f***ing shit.
Not sure yet that their levels are sustainable, but if ithey are, that is gggggggreat! Can't have enough top-4 defencemen! GO team GO!!
No, he does not. No one is untradeable, and we would be foolish to not consider a core player in return for him, if one were offered, but otherwise Matheson is someone to build around, not look to get rid of.
Take another look at Matheson's numbers for 2022-23
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The only argument for Matheson is numbers. It's the same argument as Gus, TDA and Gost.
TDA has issues on different levels.
Matheson is worlds better than both Gost and Gust at winning puck battles as well as in skating and stamina. He also recovers from the errors that any sub-$7M D makes better than almost anyone, due to his very high compete level.
It's not a lack of effort. He might be trying too hard sometimes. He's better than this year's Jeff Petry in Detroit.
Many fans take it too far and treat players like circus animals, using the game day environment as an excuse to say and do things they otherwise wouldn’t do in public or say on social media.
Hopefully this eases as the team starts winning more often.
Matheson is great as the offensive side of a 2nd pairing. Could play 20-23 minutes, play on PP2. Too bad Struble is a lefty as well, would be a good fit IMO. Why not Matheson/Savard though? Why are we in a hurry to trade a hometown D who just scored 60+ points, is loved in the locker room, and fills a gap in the lineup? Please don't let this be Brisebois all over again.
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I'm.ok with Matheson - Savard. But I'd like to see Matheson - Struble and Xhekaj - Savard. I like the idea of a vet with a young guy and then Hitson - Guhle.
What do we do until Struble is back with Barron? Maybe Matheson - Savard and Xhekaj - Barron. Or Matheson - Barron, Xhekaj - Savard. Maybe Matheson plays more responsible when he's got to be big brother to Barron.
If Struble was a RD that'd be a great fit, but not sure I wanna play a young D on his off-side with a D like Matheson.
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W I think we'll see how he does at RD when he's healthy, whether with Xhekaj or Matheson, and then go from there. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.
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Brisebois was a different era and different situation.
Fans were ready to boo in that era. Roy, turgeon, brsiebois, Malakhov all got the raspberry.
When brisebois signed his deal, it was the richest deal in canadiens history. Brisebois thinks it went bad the very next day when Jack Todd wrote an article with the headline reading 17 million dollars wasted.
He said he received death threats, and people were heckling him on the street.
It didn't stop until gainey came in and called out those "fans" with scathing remarks.
in contrast, Matheson did not sign anywhere near the richest deal in Habs history. His cap hit is 4.88M. Today, this buys you middle pair dman.
I dont think fans are generally as fanatical today. The ones that have the biggest crusade against a player generally tend to stay behind a keyboard, which is harmless in contrast.
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Bro, that's not me. You took someone else's post and slapped my name on it.
Bunch of posters here selling snake oil that Matheson is horrible defensively, can't hold Hutson's jockstrap offensively, "can't pass to his right", fails to hold the offensive line "several times per game", is killing our power play ...... ALL LIES.
It's ok to want Lane Hutson to have a great career, but there is zero reason to exaggerate the faults of our best all-round defenceman, and who does it all on 3D money. 7 blocked shots tonight in a big road win. Actively breaks up plays instead of just standing around and watching a cycle all the time. A key part of our penalty kill.
Of course, bring on Hutson and Guhle and Reinbacher. Let's have the best top-4 in the league, real soon!
HFBoards did something weird when I posted it. Fixed now.
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Matheson and Savard playing better is one of the main reasons for improved results in the last two games.
Our young defensemen are killing us with regularity. Hutson, for example, has by himself manufactured two Philly breakaways last night.
Our young defensemen are killing us with regularity. Hutson, for example, has by himself manufactured two Philly breakaways last night.
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Loool, of course you're using the DB page to tell us he's having great games
Read the GDTs and see how many times his name is mentionned, you'll see it wasn't positive at all.
HockeyDB doesn't count blocked shots. HockeyDB coesn't tell you how many plays he kills. Hockey DB doesn't show that he passes to both left and right. I watch the games.Loool, of course you're using the DB page to tell us he's having great games
Read the GDTs and see how many times his name is mentionned, you'll see it wasn't positive at all.
Of course several comments the last few games have been negative on the GDTs. That's my whole point. These are very negative-biased posters and I am calling out the exaggerators.
The TV commentators and analysts are seeing much clearer. Matheson is easily a top-4 defenceman and while not Serge Savard level in terms of reliability, makes fewer gaffes than Hutson and the other youngsters, and fewer than most other D-men at $4.875 - 6.500M, putting up 50-65 points pace of production for now the third year in a row.
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Mrb1p
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I'm bumping this because holy shit he's getting worse by the second. At this rate he's going to be a cap dump again.
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What Matheson did on the 6th goal last night against Washington is just unacceptable.
