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Player Discussion Mika Zibanejad: Part II

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Bleed Ranger Blue said:
You would think fans of a franchise who have had enough really good centers to count on one hand over the last 40 years would let this situation marinate a little more. But nope!
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Come on. All decisions need to be made now and ZBad needs to be trade as soon as possible. Package him, Kravstov & DeAngelo for Cozens!
 
McSauer said:
I don't know how anyone can envision Mika being on this team past his current contract. He is just too injury prone to be relied on long-term moving forward; sad but true. He's on a great contract right now, but he absolutely cannot be penciled in as a top center for this team past his contract--and the decision to trade him before it is up (as we have been doing with all players when it comes time) will be here before we know it.

Those that would keep him: what's going to happen when we have him as our #1 center (on hopefully a competitive team) and he is out inevitably for extended periods of time? While still paying him a ridiculous amount he will receive on his next contract? Everyone else in our center depth moves up? He is just not one to be relied on, and one we should not be investing in long-term. The evidence has been on full display since he joined us.

'Who will play center??' will probably be the most common response to this, and I honestly do not know. We will have to explore in the draft this year, and potentially with trading him, Skjei, other D prospects in our system, to fill our center pipeline.

'But every player is one hit away from an injury' will be another. True, yest. But it's getting to the point where I cringe whenever Mika is hit, and I knew as soon as he took that hit in the Bruins game he was hurt. Did not think this bad, but that just adds to my point here.

I am BEYOND GLAD he was not named captain, as rumored before the start of the season. He is just someone that will not (and should not) be apart of this team long-term. Love him as a player--was thrilled when we acquired him--but the sooner we come to terms that he will not be apart of this team in the long run, the better. Trade options will need to be explored, and will need to be addressed sooner rather than later.

Again, love Mika, want him to succeed here--but it is evident he is not that franchise center moving forward.
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He just had the best season by a Rangers center in forever and is signed to an extremely team friendly contract for two more seasons AFTER this current one.

Maybe we should like, chill out for a minute lol.
 
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SA16 said:
Why is Mika injury prone? Prior to this one he's had one major injury in the last five years and it was a fluke play where he had his feet taken out and crashed awkwardly into the boards that could happen to anyone.
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SA16 said:
Bad choice of words from me then. He's had one "long-term" injury and it was on a fluke play. Other than that he's played 80,81,72,82 games in 4 of the last 5 years (96% of the possible games during that timeframe). Not seeing a guy who is consistently missing games injured like a Malkin.
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Fair or unfair, people are going to look at him missing 10 or more games 3 of the last 4 seasons, and 4 of 8 full pro seasons in North America.

Looking beyond the game totals, they’re also going to look at how long it took him to get back to semi-normal after returning to the lineup.

I think it’s overblown, but it’s not totally unexpected either.
 
Oh I mean they can look at it however they want. The fact is over the previous five seasons he's had exactly one injury that cost him to miss a significant amount of time. Now it's two. That's not injury prone. He's had a couple of flukey injuries and other than that has played full seasons. He's not a guy who is always playing 65 or 75 games because they have nagging injuries or bad hips or something chronic like that.

It's just like how Crosby still has an injury prone label despite him having missed a total of 15 games the last 7 years until this season. Sometimes you get hurt and sometimes you don't. Unless it's a chronic issue it's generally just random.
 
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I also think we’ve reached an era where people have somewhat come to expect guys to play 75+ games every year.

The reality is that when you look back through most of history, there were a number of guys who missed decent chunks of time some years.

You try to remind people - it’s hockey, not freeze tag.
 
Edge said:
I also think we’ve reached an era where people have somewhat come to expect guys to play 75+ games every year.

The reality is that when you look back through most of history, there were a number of guys who missed decent chunks of time some years.

You try to remind people - it’s hockey, not freeze tagthe NBA.
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You mean there's no load management in the NHL?
 
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True Blue said:
Tumor
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Harbour Dog said:
Yeah, my buddy bruised his about four weeks ago, and he's still labouring a bit to breathe; to the point where he had to go to the hospital last week to get re-assessed.
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Nugent-Hopkins missed significant time a few years back with a chest/sternum injury.

Don't get me wrong, concussions and bone breaks can be devastating. But they're not the only injuries that can keep a guy out for longer periods of time.

Whether it turns out he has a concussion, a bruised sternum, whiplash, a stinger, or some combination of all those things, it's obvious he was hurt pretty badly.
 
CasusBelli said:
Back when the show was funny. I think the last episode that made me truly laugh was the one in which the guys go to Korea to find tapes of an old Korean soap opera in which Quagmire used to star.
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Lol I remember that episode. The show is a hit a miss now, more of a miss, unfortunately.
 
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He got whiplash. Surprised he's not in a neck brace or cone of shame.
 
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as much as i want to believe its a sternum or neck or something like that. its probably not.

look, hes "day to day" but somehow hes always out for a few games in advance. that's not day to day. thats lip service. hes been out since 10/27. its 11/20 today.

hes skating but definitely out. hes in street clothes at the facility but "not talking"

how many interviews has he done ? how much access has the media had to him. zilch.

hes being sheltered because hes probably been in concussion protocol. these things can be very tricky.

i might be wrong and hope i am but really, it sure seems like this guy is being kept away and quinn is just saying the same thing over and over. "day to day" "making progress". "few days away"

it ruined nash and lindros.

this is scary for mika. im hoping it wasnt a concussion for his career sake. lets hope it really is a neck injury.

sounds like he may be close as he practiced with the team tuesday.

get well soon buddy
 
offdacrossbar said:
as much as i want to believe its a sternum or neck or something like that. its probably not.
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And stuff like this is what perpetuates the message board hysteria. No matter what is presented, no matter how many things are shown, there are those that have bought into a fact that only they can believe. Nevermind actually substantiating it.
 
True Blue said:
And stuff like this is what perpetuates the message board hysteria. No matter what is presented, no matter how many things are shown, there are those that have bought into a fact that only they can believe. Nevermind actually substantiating it.
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its both reasonable and logical to question this injury. your disagreeing with that is fine i guess but "perpetuating message board hysteria" is some what over cooked dontcha think ?

i mean, hyperbole at its best.

please read, i believe this article explains the concern very well.

New York Rangers C Mika Zibanejad’s Injury Has Become A Mystery
 
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offdacrossbar said:
its both reasonable and logical to question this injury. your disagreeing with that is fine i guess but
"perpetuating message board hysteria" is some what over cooked dontcha think ?
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Sure it is reasonable. What is not is to continue to insist that it is something that no one aside from a few frenzied posters on a message board are talking about. As such, it is message board panic.
please read, i believe this article explains the concern very well.
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Not really a mystery when you know exactly what it is.
 
True Blue said:
Sure it is reasonable. What is not is to continue to insist that it is something that no one aside from a few frenzied posters on a message board are talking about. As such, it is message board panic.

Not really a mystery when you know exactly what it is.
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who's frenzied ?? huh ? panic..... um.

look, you are a very capable poster and i enjoy your take on most things. you seem measured and well reasoned, but it also seems you have taken on the responsibility of being the "conscience" of this asylum.

the whole purpose of this site is to promote open rational and polite discourse and nothing can be taken too seriously.

your comments are so protective. its a little strange
 
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offdacrossbar said:
look, you are a very capable poster and i enjoy your take on most things. you seem measured and well reasoned, but it also seems you have taken on the responsibility of being the "conscience" of this asylum.

the whole purpose of this site is to promote open rational and polite discourse and nothing can be taken too seriously.
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I am not the conscience of anything. But at some point, one needs to be able to state "this is my reasoning for x,y,z. If the only think you can point to (not you specifically, but a general you) are your own thoughts with nothing else to fall on, I think that goes beyond what one would consider rational. Here, no rational evidence aside from one's own feelings has been listed.
your comments are so protective. its a little strange
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Protective of what? There are those who insist that he has a concussion despite absolutely no smoke, fire, mirror or other evidence coming forth. People who have some inside information have not confirmed this. The words out of the coaches mouth have not confirmed this. Yet the beat goes on. I think that is a little strange.
 
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