Player Discussion Mika Zibanejad: Part II

[Chaels Arms]

Then why wouldn't he just say concussion?

Why wouldn't he just say neck or sternum injury?

 

[Chaels Arms]

I am not being subborn. I am going from what our insiders reported and what has now been written in the papers. There nothing that anyone has said or done that has hinted at it being other than what it is. Bruised sternum and whiplash.

Who reported that it was a bruised sternum or whiplash? Can you post the link to the article or tweet?

 

[Edge]

Why wouldn't he just say neck or sternum injury?

I don't know that either. But at least that would jive with what actually has been said --- including just two days ago.

 

[Kovalev27]

Then why wouldn't he just say concussion?

clearly he’s been advised not to. There gotta be some common sense here guys.

 

[Edge]

clearly he’s been advised not to. There gotta be some common sense here guys.

Wait, so there has to be some common sense, but our new working theory includes a new mystery policy by which Zibanejad is bound to uphold upon penalty of retribution?

Is he in a cult?

And he's clearly been advised not to, but he's going to all but say it anyway?

 

[Chaels Arms]

I don't know that either. But at least that would jive with what actually has been said --- including just two days ago.

What was said two days ago? Not being coy, I truly don't know what the update was two days ago. All I've heard is day to day but he didn't go on the road trip.

 

[Kovalev27]

The only time I ever heard sternum was from edge. Certainly no one from the team said so

the only thing I ever heard from quinn early on was a “neck thing”.

as I told edge from the beginning whoever his sources are I don’t think they’d tell him concussion when the org isn’t saying so.

They are known for keeping things buttoned up

 

[Edge]

What was said two days ago? Not being coy, I truly don't know what the update was two days ago. All I've heard is day to day but he didn't go on the road trip.

It was reported as a neck injury.

 

[nyr2k2]

I doubt they'd admonish him for saying it's a concussion (a policy that we've never heard to be in place), but then look the other way if he's supposedly all but saying it's a concussion.

If the dude's going to be in trouble for saying it's a concussion, then he's going to be in trouble for that type of answer. They wouldn't magically be okay with that, so I doubt he'd feel the need to get in just as much trouble.

At that point, the reaction would be the same.

Eh, I don't know. I'm not arguing that he'd be admonished or otherwise penalized, but it's pretty standard procedure for teams to withhold specific diagnoses and expect that the players do the same. Doesn't mean guys don't dance around it; they're human and they probably get tired of being asked.

But really--"a policy we've never heard to be in place"? I mean, you are correct, we don't know that's a policy. However, how often do we learn of the exact nature of an injury from the player himself? Basically never? Not for anything potentially serious. In fact, the only thing we hear from players is how they're asked to conceal injuries from the media and from the public, whether in the NFL, NBA, MLB or NHL. Whether it's a formal policy or not, do you actually doubt it exists? "Injury concealing" has been a point of contention in all sports for well over a decade now.

 

[Edge]

The only time I ever heard sternum was from edge. Certainly no one from the team said so

the only thing I ever heard from quinn early on was a “neck thing”.

as I told edge from the beginning whoever his sources are I don’t think they’d tell him concussion when the org isn’t saying so.

They are known for keeping things buttoned up

Chest was mentioned by Quinn as well, we already referenced that several times throughout this thread. I merely narrowed it down to sternum.

So both neck and chest, have been referenced.

And even now, no one is saying concussion, including the person who supposedly had one, for reasons that sound like something out of a spy novel.

 

[Kovalev27]

Wait, so there has to be some common sense, but our new working theory includes a new mystery policy by which Zibanejad is bound to uphold upon penalty of retribution?

Is he in a cult?

And he's clearly been advised not to, but he's going to all but say it anyway?

Yes common sense. When a guy gives that kind of answer use common sense. A weird random neck injury would not equate to I’m sure you guys obviously can figure out what it was as he stated. I weird random neck injury if anything would be quite the opposite of obviously knowing what it was.

Guy has a history of concussions
Guy took a shoulder to the chin
Guy was skating weeks ago then was shut down for a week
Guy comes out and says you guys obviously can figure out what it was


So yes edge despite your sources use common sense.

 

[Edge]

Eh, I don't know. I'm not arguing that he'd be admonished or otherwise penalized, but it's pretty standard procedure for teams to withhold specific diagnoses and expect that the players do the same. Doesn't mean guys don't dance around it; they're human and they probably get tired of being asked.

But really--"a policy we've never heard to be in place"? I mean, you are correct, we don't know that's a policy. However, how often do we learn of the exact nature of an injury from the player himself? Basically never? Not for anything potentially serious. In fact, the only thing we hear from players is how they're asked to conceal injuries from the media and from the public, whether in the NFL, NBA, MLB or NHL. Whether it's a formal policy or not, do you actually doubt it exists?

I doubt the Rangers would've asked him not to disclose a concussion.

Why?

Because the players association, if not the player's agent, would be up their ass sideways.

 

[Edge]

Yes common sense. When a guy gives that kind of answer use common sense. A weird random neck injury would not equate to I’m sure you guys obviously can figure out what it was as he stated. I weird random neck injury if anything would be quite the opposite of obviously knowing what it was.

Guy has a history of concussions
Guy took a shoulder to the chin
Guy was skating weeks ago then was shut down for a week
Guy comes out and says you guys obviously can figure out what it was


So yes edge despite your sources use common sense.

Fine, I believe they've told him not to discuss this and no one is allowed to use the word, including reporters.

Fine, my common sense also tells me he's going to allude to it, without saying it, in a press conference, and the information would not have been "leaked" to a reporter before-hand.

 

[Kovalev27]

Yes, I believe they've told him not to discuss this and no one is allowed to use the word, including reporters.

My common sense tells me he's going to allude to it, without saying it, in a press conference, and the information would not have been "leaked" to a reporter before-hand.

if his comments today aren’t alluding to it I don’t know what is.

 

[Edge]

if that’s not alluding to it I don’t know what is.

So why would something so obvious not get the same "punishment" of saying it?

It's hard to have it both ways.

He can't be sworn to secrecy, and then suddenly say something so blatantly obvious to reporters hanging around.

If he was going to catch grief for saying it, then there's no way he doesn't get the same grief if it's that obvious.

 

[nyr2k2]

I doubt the Rangers would've asked him not to disclose a concussion.

Why?

Because the players association, if not the player's agent, would be up their ass sideways.

I would suggest you do some reading about the extent to which teams go to conceal injuries. The reason I alluded to it not being a "formal" policy is the reason you describe above.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...3a98f0-fb07-11e7-ad8c-ecbb62019393_story.html

That talks about the secrecy from teams in not disclosing injuries, and how it extends to the players. It also mentions how some players prefer their injuries not being known by the opposition to protect themselves (Oshie), and some guys thinking it's a violation of their medical privacy rights (Orpik--mentions HIPAA even though it's not HIPAA). There's dozens upon dozens of articles to be found about this--including teams telling players to lie about injuries--from all major sports.

I assumed it was general knowledge that professional sports teams intentionally hide the extent of their players' injuries and "encouraged" their players to do the same.

 

[True Blue]

Who reported that it was a bruised sternum or whiplash? Can you post the link to the article or tweet?

https://nypost.com/2019/11/02/rangers-mika-zibanejad-remains-out-with-neck-injury/

Let Zibanejad’s recovery play its natural course

That and it has been reported by someone on this board whose posts I trust have some insight. Oh, and what came out of Quinn's mouth.

 

[Edge]

I would suggest you do some reading about the extent to which teams go to conceal injuries. The reason I alluded to it not being a "formal" policy is the reason you describe above.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...3a98f0-fb07-11e7-ad8c-ecbb62019393_story.html

That talks about the secrecy from teams in not disclosing injuries, and how it extends to the players. It also mentions how some players prefer their injuries not being known by the opposition to protect themselves (Oshie), and some guys thinking it's a violation of their medical privacy rights (Orpik--mentions HIPAA even though it's not HIPAA). There's dozens upon dozens of articles to be found about this--including teams telling players to lie about injuries--from all major sports.

I assumed it was general knowledge that professional sports teams intentionally hide the extent of their players' injuries and "encouraged" their players to do the same.

And that's all well and good, except you still have this:



So now we're not even talking about a policy, now we're talking about them flat-out lying --- ON THE RECORD. With use of the word "repeated" highlighting the fact that it would be more than once.

So if that is indeed the case, the Rangers have some very serious problems on their hands.

Because now you would have situation where they aren't being vague, they are instructing a player not to disclose information and they have their coach on the record, multiple times, lying about an injury.

That's a significant difference than just not being transparent.

 

[Kovalev27]

So why would something so obvious not get the same "punishment" of saying it?

It's hard to have it both ways.

He can't be sworn to secrecy, and then suddenly say something so blatantly obvious to reporters hanging around.

If he was going to catch grief for saying it, then there's no way he doesn't get the same grief if it's that obvious.

You are talking in circles when you know very obviously that if the team says upper and lower body injury the players know very clearly to echo that statement. He gave as much as he could without breaking that very clear league wide mandate. Let’s not pretend like hockey players don’t tow the line.

so while you twist this up as you do at times when people don’t take your word as gospel, (and I do appreciate and respect what you share don’t let that be confused here) it would be a lot easier if you used common sense as Mika suggested we all do today.

I fully believe they may have thought it was a neck issue when they gave their original day to day prognosis but it became something more. Setbacks don’t happen with bruises. That carp quote was from a month ago. Not normal. And if it isn’t a normal type of neck injury he wouldn’t have made the uncomfortable comment he made today

 

[nyr2k2]

And that's all well and good, except you still have this:



So now we're not even talking about a policy, now we're talking about them flat-out lying --- ON THE RECORD.

So if that is indeed the case, the Rangers have some very serious problems on their hands.

Calm down, Edgelord.

The point of my post was that teams generally discourage players from disclosing the nature of their injury if the team hasn't done so itself. Literally, nothing more.

 

[Thirty One]

Then why wouldn't he just say concussion?

Presumably his head's a little foggy and he's not thinking clearly.

You've lived through the upper-body injury/lower-body injury era, you know the answer to that question.

 

[Fireonk]

Posted in the gameday thread but this seems like the better spot for it:

Not sure of the timeline here, but its possible they originally thought it was just a neck injury and announced it wasn't a concussion. Then later he developed symptoms of the concussion. So now we are in this weird conspiracy theory territory.

 

[Thirty One]

https://nypost.com/2019/11/02/rangers-mika-zibanejad-remains-out-with-neck-injury/

Let Zibanejad’s recovery play its natural course

That and it has been reported by someone on this board whose posts I trust have some insight. Oh, and what came out of Quinn's mouth.

Yep. There's an established report of what the injury is. If it's that, why the imprecise answer from Z?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

if mika injured his hand but then holds his hand above his head, is it now an upper body injury

Upper body is everything above the waist, so a hand injury is as well

 

[nyr2k2]

Posted in the gameday thread but this seems like the better spot for it:

Not sure of the timeline here, but its possible they originally thought it was just a neck injury and announced it wasn't a concussion. Then later he developed symptoms of the concussion. So now we are in this weird conspiracy theory territory.

Given that head and neck injuries can produce identical symptoms, I wouldn't even really think it a conspiracy. Plausible scenario, even if it's highly-speculative.