Michkov vs Demidov

[FlyguyOX]

I think this Michkov vs Demidov debate is so childish but watching those Demidov games shows me this kid is the real deal hes such a threat everytime hes on the ice if he had decent linemates he would have alot more points very exited about him definitely the best prospect we’ve had in years

Kind of like Michkov led the team in SKA preseason last year, too...

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

The world isn't binary.

Both are great prospects, I'm sure they'll both have very good careers.

15 pages?

It’s the summer

 

[Kiirin]

Michkov : Shooting, Sense
Demidov : Passing, Puck Handling
Tie : Skating, Physical

It'll be interesting to see how their careers will pan out. Despite giving a hedge of 1 point for Demidov, EP has Michkov one rank above him.

 

[BLONG7]

You guys are arguing over 2 18 year olds...............both look like they will be very good NHL players, but guys they are 18 years old.
2-3 years from now, it will be worth revisiting.....with facts in hand.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Makar and Demidov never played in the same league before the NHL. Comparing Buium and Makar's DY productions is comparing apples and oranges.

Demidov and Michkov have both played in the MHL at the same ages. (Michkov was more productive)

Demidov scratched the VHL and KHL, but couldn't crack it (Why isn't that held against Demidov like SKA loaning Michkov is?)

I’m not the one who compared Buium and Makar.

So you’re argument is because Michkov had a 1.72 PPG and Demidov 1.51 PPG at 16 years old means Michkov is the better prospect?

I don’t know how many times it needs to be said but Demidov was buried in the MHL because he wouldn’t sign an extension. That was known pre-draft.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

I’m not the one who compared Buium and Makar.

So you’re argument is because Michkov had a 1.72 PPG and Demidov 1.51 PPG at 16 years old means Michkov is the better prospect?

I don’t know how many times it needs to be said but Demidov was buried in the MHL because he wouldn’t sign an extension. That was known pre-draft.

1.72 is >1.51 ??.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Michkov : Shooting, Sense
Demidov : Passing, Puck Handling
Tie : Skating, Physical

It'll be interesting to see how their careers will pan out. Despite giving a hedge of 1 point for Demidov, EP has Michkov one rank above him.

Either way, not a lot to differentiate the 2 using the metrics shown in your attachments.

I think fans of Demidov are just pushing back on the narrative by some that Michkov is just the vastly superior prospect.

They're both ranked at the moment as top 3 prospects in the world. Even if you prefer one over another, there's not this huge chasm between them as purported in this thread.

They're both exceptional talents. That's it, that's all.

Both camps should rest easy in that, and look forward to their futures, instead of this childish nonsense.

 

[Baksfamous112]

1.72 is >1.51 ??.

16 years old?

 

[Redpath]

I’m not the one who compared Buium and Makar.

So you’re argument is because Michkov had a 1.72 PPG and Demidov 1.51 PPG at 16 years old means Michkov is the better prospect?

I don’t know how many times it needs to be said but Demidov was buried in the MHL because he wouldn’t sign an extension. That was known pre-draft.

1) It's not just at 16 years old in the MHL. It's as 17 year olds, too.

2) It's not just about Michkov outproducing Demidov in the MHL. It's about Michkov having such unparalleled success in the VHL and KHL for his age that it would be an impressive feat Demidov to even match Michkov's success. Give me the prospect who has actually accomplished history instead of the one who might replicate Michkov's history.

I also have to laugh at the "SKA loaned out Michkov. What does that say about him?" excuses that get thrown around, yet similar logic of "SKA was willing to bury Demidov over a contract dispute. What does that say about him?" is not thrown around.

 

[Baksfamous112]

1) It's not just at 16 years old in the MHL. It's as 17 year olds, too.

2) It's not just about Michkov outproducing Demidov in the MHL. It's about Michkov having such unparalleled success in the VHL and KHL for his age that it would be an impressive feat Demidov to even match Michkov's success. Give me the prospect who has actually accomplished history instead of the one who might replicate Michkov's history.

I also have to love that "SKA loaned out Michkov. What does that say about him?" excuses that get thrown around, yet similar logic of "SKA was willing to bury Demidov over a contract dispute. What does that say about him?" are not thrown around.

Because Demidov was leaving no matter what at the end of this year. Michkov had 3 years left in his draft year.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Michkov : Shooting, Sense
Demidov : Passing, Puck Handling
Tie : Skating, Physical

It'll be interesting to see how their careers will pan out. Despite giving a hedge of 1 point for Demidov, EP has Michkov one rank above him.

I don't think Demidov is a better passer and I also think he's a worse skater than Michkov (worse technique).

 

[Redpath]

Because Demidov was leaving no matter what at the end of this year. Michkov had 3 years left in his draft year.

So is the plan this season for SKA to bury Demidov again this year since he's leaving at the end of the season? Or did that only apply to his DY for some reason?

Nor does any of that change the counter-argument of "SKA is willing to bury Demidov for extraneous reasons. Very worrying!"

 

[waitin425]

 

[Kiirin]

Either way, not a lot to differentiate the 2 using the metrics shown in your attachments.

I think fans of Demidov are just pushing back on the narrative by some that Michkov is just the vastly superior prospect.

They're both ranked at the moment as top 3 prospects in the world. Even if you prefer one over another, there's not this huge chasm between them as purported in this thread.

They're both exceptional talents. That's it, that's all.

Both camps should rest easy in that, and look forward to their futures, instead of this childish nonsense.

No professional hockey scout views Michkov as a 'vastly superior' prospect to Demidov and anybody who thinks otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about. The real differences between them lie in their circumstances and playing styles so it makes no sense that if Michkov were truly far superior to Demidov—who many believe has the potential to be a franchise player—would slip 7th in the draft to Philadelphia, despite his KHL contract or any concerns about his attitude. Like even I who prefer Demidov, wouldn't sell my house claiming he's vastly superior to Michkov, that's insane

 

[FlyguyOX]

I remember a below average skater with average size with slick passing and handles by the name of Perfetti. He's not exactly a superstar in the league right now.

Generational IQ will always beat out the Demidov/Perfetti package.

 

[NikolaTesla]

Mitchkov averaged three minute a game in those three games he played with SKA.

Checkmate, I sunk your battleship. Good day to you sir.

Those games into which he produced 0 points? Nice rebuttal. You're helping my argument here, not yours. Haha.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Lmao not reading all that, imagine typing a paragraph about another poster, cope + seethe. Michkov > Demidov, had to close the poll thread too lopsided, no? And your fanbase wonders why no one roots for your prospects or you guys in general.

You seem more mad than us :/

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

I don't think Demidov is a better passer and I also think he's a worse skater than Michkov (worse technique).

Agreed . His playmaking is barely being mentioned when it’s nearly as big a strength as his scoring touch

 

[waitin425]

I remember a below average skater with average size with slick passing and handles by the name of Perfetti. He's not exactly a superstar in the league right now.

Generational IQ will always beat out the Demidov/Perfetti package.

Neither Demidov or Perfetti for that matter are "below average".

Focusing on Demidov though......

Edgework + Acceleration

https://x.com/i/web/status/1828083336310571069

Edgework + Vision

https://x.com/i/web/status/1828080651675046398

Edgwork + Deceptiveness

https://x.com/i/web/status/1828073629927735567

Some breakout speed + strength

https://x.com/i/web/status/1828073191555686622

Elite edgework

https://x.com/i/web/status/1827675455664632063

Another view....

https://x.com/i/web/status/1827351409379234159

Strength

https://x.com/i/web/status/1827323460323865087

My opinion....with supporting videos from just the past week. He is far from a below average skater. Is he a burner? I don't think he is that. Does he have dynamic edges, with which he can control the puck, create time and space, and position himself in prime positions....oh hell yeah. His skating may seem unorthodox to some, but he is not below average. Lateral movement is well above average in my opinion. The jury is still out on straight line speed.

 

[NikolaTesla]

1) It's not just at 16 years old in the MHL. It's as 17 year olds, too.

2) It's not just about Michkov outproducing Demidov in the MHL. It's about Michkov having such unparalleled success in the VHL and KHL for his age that it would be an impressive feat Demidov to even match Michkov's success. Give me the prospect who has actually accomplished history instead of the one who might replicate Michkov's history.

I also have to laugh at the "SKA loaned out Michkov. What does that say about him?" excuses that get thrown around, yet similar logic of "SKA was willing to bury Demidov over a contract dispute. What does that say about him?" is not thrown around.

Damn man comparing ppg of 2 17 years old kids playing with different teamates. Must be the be it end all. Funny how all scouts are very thorn on who will be better in the nhl yet hearing you, Michkov is vatly superior.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

So is the plan this season for SKA to bury Demidov again this year since he's leaving at the end of the season? Or did that only apply to his DY for some reason?

Nor does any of that change the counter-argument of "SKA is willing to bury Demidov for extraneous reasons. Very worrying!"

I look forward to the gymnastics to explain this .

 

[NikolaTesla]

So is the plan this season for SKA to bury Demidov again this year since he's leaving at the end of the season? Or did that only apply to his DY for some reason?

Nor does any of that change the counter-argument of "SKA is willing to bury Demidov for extraneous reasons. Very worrying!"

This season they want him on their on their team. Something they didn't want with Michkov despite a 3 years contract.

I remember a below average skater with average size with slick passing and handles by the name of Perfetti. He's not exactly a superstar in the league right now.

Generational IQ will always beat out the Demidov/Perfetti package.

You act like Demidov doesn' have insane IQ as well.

 

[Redpath]

Damn man comparing ppg of 2 17 years old kids playing with different teamates. Must be the be it end all. Funny how all scouts are very thorn on who will be better in the nhl yet hearing you, Michkov is vatly superior.

Vastly superior? Not necessarily.

Definitively more proven to date? Absolutely.

 

[Zine]

Its just odd hearing Rotenberg gush over Demidov after spending the past few years being as reserved with Michkov. Demidov is making it clear he's going to the NHL too but Rotenberg seems so willing to work with him around it, he never (at least publicly) extended the same grace to Michkov as he does to Demidov.

I don't think the Michkov wanting out of his contract scenario fits since Demidov is also leaving. There's got to be some smoke to the fire, I'm just not sure what the fire is.

What's so weird about it?

What would Briere's reaction be if Michkov wanted out of his ECL half-way through? I doubt he would have a good word to say about Michkov either.

The situation is very different than a player not extending after honoring his contract in full.
I mean Rotenberg gushes over Nikishin too. Nikishin's contract is done after this season and he's leaving too.

 

[waitin425]

Vastly superior? Not necessarily.

Definitively more proven to date? Absolutely.

As a Habs fan....I agree with this. Only time will tell who has the higher ceiling and who hits it. This thread should really be put on hold for minimum 2 years.