Value of: Michkov to Chicago

[hawksrule]

He did answer that earlier in the thread: Next year’s first. Didnt mention protection but my guess is top 5 protected since MM was a 7th which would be a no from Philly.

For Chicago, I wouldn’t have an issue with a 2024 1st top-2 protected. Given the strength of the 2023 draft, I think that keeps his value roughly on par.

 

[joestevens29]

Reason he feel so far is by the time he comes to the nhl most gms that could’ve picked him will probably be fired without results. They went the lower risk way in hopes they will have someone making an impact sooner

 

[Tripod]

Nobody would trade Bedard for Michkov and nobody
( with the exception of Philly fans )
in their right mind would expect to get Bedard for Michkov .

You are confused.

Philly fans would not EXPECT Berard for Michkov.

That would be what it would take to say yes to trading Michkov

 

[captainpaxil]

I would not move michgod for celerbrini

 

[BrindamoursNose]

He did answer that earlier in the thread: Next year’s first. Didnt mention protection but my guess is top 5 protected since MM was a 7th which would be a no from Philly.

Exactly - it would be a no from Philly and a no from most teams if they had Michkov. As I mentioned before, there are likely teams after #7 that would've taken Michkov even Top 2 - but we don't know every team's draft board and trade ups basically never happen in the Top 8.

As I said, value is totally relative. There's no objective value for anyone - especially a potential franchise player like Michkov.

For Chicago, I wouldn’t have an issue with a 2024 1st top-2 protected. Given the strength of the 2023 draft, I think that keeps his value roughly on par.

But what is Philly's incentive to do that? Is anyone in the Top 2 likely to have the same potential output as Michkov?

Remember this when framing the discussion: Philly doesn't want to do this trade at all. Trading Michkov is the single worst thing the Flyers could do right now. The only incentive to do it with Chicago is to take back a potential franchise player. Otherwise, why would Flyers bother?

That's why the thread was silly to begin with.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

Chicago's 2024 and 2025 1st's (unprotected) and a Korchinski or Reichel.

 

[hawksrule]

Exactly - it would be a no from Philly and a no from most teams if they had Michkov. As I mentioned before, there are likely teams after #7 that would've taken Michkov even Top 2 - but we don't know every team's draft board and trade ups basically never happen in the Top 8.

As I said, value is totally relative. There's no objective value for anyone - especially a potential franchise player like Michkov.



But what is Philly's incentive to do that? Is anyone in the Top 2 likely to have the same potential output as Michkov?

Remember this when framing the discussion: Philly doesn't want to do this trade at all. Trading Michkov is the single worst thing the Flyers could do right now. The only incentive to do it with Chicago is to take back a potential franchise player. Otherwise, why would Flyers bother?

That's why the thread was silly to begin with.

Again, you’re looking at value based only on potential peak value. Anyone who you would be trading with would be looking at reward versus the risk, just like everyone does in every trade always. You may want to pretend the risks that were there three months ago are no longer there, and that’s fine, but no one else would approach a trade from that mindset, and neither would you if the shoe was on the other foot. It’s not a diss on Michkov. But the flyers drafting him doesn’t suddenly mean his open market value is triple what it was.

 

[JRichard]

Again, you’re looking at value based only on potential peak value. Anyone who you would be trading with would be looking at reward versus the risk, just like everyone does in every trade always. You may want to pretend the risks that were there three months ago are no longer there, and that’s fine, but no one else would approach a trade from that mindset, and neither would you if the shoe was on the other foot. It’s not a diss on Michkov. But the flyers drafting him doesn’t suddenly mean his open market value is triple what it was.

Last sentence is silly. Try Michkov to Chicago and pretend he was drafted by Mtl at 5. Answers would be same if not « worse ».

when you say « risk », you mean the KHL contract? If so the risk is decreasing by the month as his release gets closer therefore upping his value. If you mean the « general » Russian risk, well Ariz drafted Simachev at 6 so there’s that.

 

[hawksrule]

Last sentence is silly. Try Michkov to Chicago and pretend he was drafted by Mtl at 5. Answers would be same if not « worse ».

when you say « risk », you mean the KHL contract? If so the risk is decreasing by the month as his release gets closer therefore upping his value. If you mean the « general » Russian risk, well Ariz drafted Simachev at 6 so there’s that.

I don’t know how else to say it. If Flyers fans think Michkov’s value has quintupled since draft day because reasons, you’re welcome to think that.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Again, you’re looking at value based only on potential peak value. Anyone who you would be trading with would be looking at reward versus the risk, just like everyone does in every trade always. You may want to pretend the risks that were there three months ago are no longer there, and that’s fine, but no one else would approach a trade from that mindset, and neither would you if the shoe was on the other foot. It’s not a diss on Michkov. But the flyers drafting him doesn’t suddenly mean his open market value is triple what it was.

You're incapable of moving past "he was drafted 7th" and that's all that I really need to know.

 

[hawksrule]

You're incapable of moving past "he was drafted 7th" and that's all that I really need to know.

What’s changed since then?

 

[Moose Head]

What’s changed since then?

Exactly. This isn’t like Jagr being hidden away by the Pens and the teams that picked ahead of the Pens kicking themselves for not knowing he was available. Whatever issues that caused Michkov to drop still exist.

 

[93gilmour93]

Ryder, Halak + 2nd

 

[Moose Head]

Exactly - it would be a no from Philly and a no from most teams if they had Michkov. As I mentioned before, there are likely teams after #7 that would've taken Michkov even Top 2 - but we don't know every team's draft board and trade ups basically never happen in the Top 8.

As I said, value is totally relative. There's no objective value for anyone - especially a potential franchise player like Michkov.



But what is Philly's incentive to do that? Is anyone in the Top 2 likely to have the same potential output as Michkov?

Remember this when framing the discussion: Philly doesn't want to do this trade at all. Trading Michkov is the single worst thing the Flyers could do right now. The only incentive to do it with Chicago is to take back a potential franchise player. Otherwise, why would Flyers bother?

That's why the thread was silly to begin with.

If these teams hypothetically thought he was a #2 dropping, and would have taken him at 2, wouldn’t have we heard rumours of them trying to move heaven and earth to get the 5,6 or 7th picks to draft him? All we have is the Nashville rumour of #15 + Askarov. Good package, but not as outlandish and the asks from Flyer fans in this thread.

 

[SnS]

we’re done here.