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Player Discussion Michael Grabner

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NYR1967 said:
I waffle back and forth on this so much. Not that Grabner would be the most likely of Rangers to be taken by Vegas - I think that's pretty much a given, but more about "will the real Grabner please stand up?"

Is this seasons Grabner the real one, or is he having a '94 Adam Graves fluke season? (No, I'm not comparing Grabner to Graves, so whoever is about to jump on me for that, just stop it before you even start).

Is he a "Mike York-esque late bloomer"?

Is this what Grabner is without nagging injuries?

If the Grabner we have right now IS Grabner, then we have to trade someone else to open up a protection slot for him (and like the poster I'm responding to, I think Nash makes the most sense), but is he that guy, or is this season just a one off?

Even if his goal totals drop severely, he's still a replacement for Hags (who I think we REALLY suffered for not having last year), but is having a replacement for Hags worth trading away a Nash or a Zucc to open a protection slot? I'm at a total loss as to an answer to this and might change my answer 20 times on any given day.
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The answer to the bottom is no, quite frankly. If you're trading one of those two it's because the package you got is really good and addrssses needs (prospects, picks we desperately need, the defense) and not because it frees up a spot for Grabner.

To me, leaving Grabner exposed for the draft is a non starter. Either make a deal with Vegas to give up a pick to protect him (I'm talking something mid round like 3-5 because anything more I'm not doing) or deal him for something yourself. And if it was up to me, I'm feeling out the market for him because I don't see how you don't get a first rounder at the deadline for a guy that's just short of 30 goals in February. He's basically a rental since I'm sure a lot of teams can't afford to protect him either but if you find a team that can, maybe he's worth even more.

This team should be utilizing this outburst to add more. We got lucky with Grabner. Teams stay successful in the cap era by being able to add players that contribute from the farm for dirt cheap. Who do we have coming after Buch, Skjei, Vesey that fits that mold? Shestyorkin is years away because of his contract and that's negated by Henrik's cap hit anyway. There are pretty much no skaters that can make an impact currently on our farm as the players we have up here now as it stands. Add that first rounder and rebuild the system.
 
NYRFAN218 said:
The answer to the bottom is no, quite frankly. If you're trading one of those two it's because the package you got is really good and addrssses needs (prospects, picks we desperately need, the defense) and not because it frees up a spot for Grabner.

To me, leaving Grabner exposed for the draft is a non starter. Either make a deal with Vegas to give up a pick to protect him (I'm talking something mid round like 3-5 because anything more I'm not doing) or deal him for something yourself. And if it was up to me, I'm feeling out the market for him because I don't see how you don't get a first rounder at the deadline for a guy that's just short of 30 goals in February. He's basically a rental since I'm sure a lot of teams can't afford to protect him either but if you find a team that can, maybe he's worth even more.

This team should be utilizing this outburst to add more. We got lucky with Grabner. Teams stay successful in the cap era by being able to add players that contribute from the farm for dirt cheap. Who do we have coming after Buch, Skjei, Vesey that fits that mold? Shestyorkin is years away because of his contract and that's negated by Henrik's cap hit anyway. There are pretty much no skaters that can make an impact currently on our farm as the players we have up here now as it stands. Add that first rounder and rebuild the system.
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The rational makes sense, but do you truly believe we have NO CHANCE to win the cup this year?

You just don't sell players when you are a contender. Whether you believe we are or not, it just does not send a good message to the room to literally trade our leading goal scorer for futures. It just doesn't happen like that.

It just feels like a move that punts the season. Why are we punting seasons when Hank is just getting older?

With RFAs about to get pay raises, I just find it hard to believe we can have a better team next season unless Gorton somehow works some magic with our defense. The move to me is to give LV a mid pick to not take him, but I don't see why they would do that because he has more value than that on the trade market if they just take him.
 
Hire Sather said:
The rational makes sense, but do you truly believe we have NO CHANCE to win the cup this year?

You just don't sell players when you are a contender. Whether you believe we are or not, it just does not send a good message to the room to literally trade our leading goal scorer for futures. It just doesn't happen like that.

It just feels like a move that punts the season. Why are we punting seasons when Hank is just getting older?

With RFAs about to get pay raises, I just find it hard to believe we can have a better team next season unless Gorton somehow works some magic with our defense. The move to me is to give LV a mid pick to not take him, but I don't see why they would do that because he has more value than that on the trade market if they just take him.
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No, their chances aren't zero. But do you believe the Rangers have a good chance of winning with that defense? Anything other than no is just fooling yourself.

And this team can absolutely be better next season. Buying out Girardi, moving on from Klein, signing a Shattenkirk (not getting into the debate over if it's the right move) makes the team way better, Grabner or not. No one is due for a substantial raise next season outside of Mika so I have no idea why you think they can't be better.
 
Grabner is only the 5th Ranger since 1986-87 to score 25+ even strength goals in 55 games. The others:

Tony Granato (1988-89)
Mike Gartner (1993-94)
Mark Messier (1996-97)
Rick Nash (2014-15)
 
just wanted to say that, for all intents and purposes, grabner was signed to be a tanner glass replacement.

so to all those people the past two years who were saying "glass's spot isn't a make or break part of this team" all i have to say is - lol.
 
Kahuna Nanu said:
just wanted to say that, for all intents and purposes, grabner was signed to be a tanner glass replacement.

so to all those people the past two years who were saying "glass's spot isn't a make or break part of this team" all i have to say is - lol.
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And for that reason alone, he should have his number retired.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Grabner is only the 5th Ranger since 1986-87 to score 25+ even strength goals in 55 games. The others:

Tony Granato (1988-89)
Mike Gartner (1993-94)
Mark Messier (1996-97)
Rick Nash (2014-15)
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Well at least now we know if we trading Grabner at the deadline that we're winning the Cup. :laugh:
 
Kahuna Nanu said:
just wanted to say that, for all intents and purposes, grabner was signed to be a tanner glass replacement.

so to all those people the past two years who were saying "glass's spot isn't a make or break part of this team" all i have to say is - lol.
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You could just as easily say that it was Pirri who was brought in to replace Glass.
 
I always liked Grabner but I did not see this coming. Before the season I thought he could give us 12-16 goals, much needed speed, and solid penalty killing. Something in his head has clicked. He found his shot placement (usually high on the right side) and a goal scorers mindset.
 
I sincerely doubt Vegas takes him with 1 year left on the contract, and the contract he gets after this 2 year deal is most likely going to be a massive "overpayment", so I doubt he is a long term Ranger either.

Anyway, he's havimg awesome season, and I hope he keeps it up.

That being said, if Gorton could flip him for a for a great deal while he's red hot, I'm all for it.

Note: In regard to the Vegas expansion picks, they are also going to want a few medium hefty contracts to make the cap floor.
 
ReggieDunlop68 said:
I sincerely doubt Vegas takes him with 1 year left on the contract, and the contract he gets after this 2 year deal is most likely going to be a massive "overpayment", so I doubt he is a long term Ranger either.
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You never know. A reason to puck him up is what we have talked about. Vegas could turn around and trade him to a contender at the deadline next year. On a serious contender, he would be a very good 3rd line player.
That being said, if Gorton could flip him for a for a great deal while he's red hot, I'm all for it.
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Am all for it. However, I think that we both know that is a very unlikely scenario.
 
NickyFotiu said:
I always liked Grabner but I did not see this coming. Before the season I thought he could give us 12-16 goals, much needed speed, and solid penalty killing. Something in his head has clicked. He found his shot placement (usually high on the right side) and a goal scorers mindset.
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Think it's confidence... Plus he seems to have a natural chemistry with a bunch of guys. Perhaps also easier on him because not much was expected.
 
True Blue said:
You could just as easily say that it was Pirri who was brought in to replace Glass.
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"lol" is still more than appropriate.

Pirri has more goals than Glass' whole pathetic Ranger career getting the same 4th line minutes he did.
 
My prediction:

GMJG will give McPhee and Vegas a 5th round pick to not take him

Win/Win for both teams....simple as that

Bottom line is even if he reverts to a 20-25 goal type guy which is extremely likely seeing we all know he isn't this 35-40 goal guy, this would be perfect for us. I'd bet a good amount of money Grabs will be a Ranger next year and going forward.
 
That's a good article. One thing that I wanted to get opinions on is this:

Basically, one of either Buchnevich/Vesey is relegated to the fourth line every game. If Grabs goes cold even for a short stretch, do you think it might be wise to move him down to the 4th line and elevate one of the aforementioned players (obviously Buchnevich seems to be the guy on the 4th line at this point in time) to play with Hayes and Miller. Grabner has played very well with them, but he would be more effective than either Buchnevich or Vesey on the 4th line. Sure his goal production would drop a bit. But he will still get some chances with his wheels. But either B/V's production might increase significantly playing with Hayes and Miller. Might be a moot point if Buchnevich is too far in the doghouse already.
 
True Blue said:
By and large Pirri's impact has maybe been marginally more than Glass.
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Pirri has more points in the NHL this season than Glass has in the AHL but please by all means talk about how marginal the "material impact" is between the two.
 
Raspewtin said:
Pirri has more points in the NHL this season than Glass has in the AHL but please by all means talk about how marginal the "material impact" is between the two.
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Pirri has been pretty much meaningless to the team. He had a decent October and by and large has been pretty much as effective as Glass was since then.
 
Let's just remember that Grabner is really not some no-skill scrub. The guy has a 30 goal season under his belt. I also wouldn't underestimate playing under AV as a big factor in what he's doing right now.

I don't see the Rangers trading him away for the same reason that I seem to repeat every season at the trade deadline. Rangers management thinks this team is a contender. Despite the fact that nothing the team does other then maybe go 82-0 can convince the fanbase that we're a contender, there's not going to be one person in the front office seriously entertaining the thought of trading away the Rangers leading goal scorer when they're currently 5th in the league in points. Not going to happen. Until we arrive at a season where we are clearly out of the playoff running at the deadline this team will always be a buyer.

Have people forgotten Eric Staal? What's the difference between this year's team and last year's team? Other then the fact that they actually have five more points in the standings this season then they had last season at the same exact point? So the Rangers are going to be sellers because people on HFBoards think the D isn't good enough? Even if the front office agreed with that assessment the response would be to sell more futures to add D NOW, not to sell the team's leading goal scorer. This is the same team that traded futures for E. Staal and kept Keith Yandle at a time when he could have netted something legitimately valuable and team is objectively better this season than last.
 
StaalWars said:
Let's just remember that Grabner is really not some no-skill scrub. The guy has a 30 goal season under his belt. I also wouldn't underestimate playing under AV as a big factor in what he's doing right now.

I don't see the Rangers trading him away for the same reason that I seem to repeat every season at the trade deadline. Rangers management thinks this team is a contender. Despite the fact that nothing the team does other then maybe go 82-0 can convince the fanbase that we're a contender, there's not going to be one person in the front office seriously entertaining the thought of trading away the Rangers leading goal scorer when they're currently 5th in the league in points. Not going to happen. Until we arrive at a season where we are clearly out of the playoff running at the deadline this team will always be a buyer.

Have people forgotten Eric Staal? What's the difference between this year's team and last year's team? Other then the fact that they actually have five more points in the standings this season then they had last season at the same exact point? So the Rangers are going to be sellers because people on HFBoards think the D isn't good enough? Even if the front office agreed with that assessment the response would be to sell more futures to add D NOW, not to sell the team's leading goal scorer. This is the same team that traded futures for E. Staal and kept Keith Yandle at a time when he could have netted something legitimately valuable and team is objectively better this season than last.
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Great post... As long as ur intent was to show how and why this team won't be winning a cup anytime soon.

Idea being we won't sell until we are legit out of it... Which means we probably wouldn't have a Grabner to sell. We won't be legit out of it with Hank here.

So we either buy (expending assists) or hold onto assets that we could turn into something of use next year and beyond.

This line of reasoning is exactly why we are where we are currently... Never good enough to win it all yet never bad enough to sell... And a team with ZERO in the pipeline.

Keep on keepin on
 
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