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I'd trade Nash for help on defense and then turn around to Grabner and ffer him a reasonable extension (say 2 years @ 2.75m) and tell him if he doesn't sign, he won't be protected and will therefore most likely end up on a ****** Las Vegas team in his contract year.

He has looked good here and if they can re-sign him, protecting him seems like a no-brainer
 
Grabner signed a 2 year deal so we are good there as far as I understand.

Dude has been great. Funny how things change too because I remember at least a couple people suggesting he shouldn't be among the starting 12 forwards after preseason.
 
NYR Viper said:
I'd trade Nash for help on defense and then turn around to Grabner and ffer him a reasonable extension (say 2 years @ 2.75m) and tell him if he doesn't sign, he won't be protected and will therefore most likely end up on a ****** Las Vegas team in his contract year.

He has looked good here and if they can re-sign him, protecting him seems like a no-brainer
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Fully agree with this. Nash has played well but has what? ONE goal in like the last 12 games... not exactly wildly prolific, especially at that price tag.

Grabs may never come close to this level of production but his speed and PK ability make him dangerous
 
I don't think we have to worry about losing Grabner in the expansion draft...i'm pretty sure it's all but certain we are losing Raanta.
 
FLYLine27 said:
I don't think we have to worry about losing Grabner in the expansion draft...i'm pretty sure it's all but certain we are losing Raanta.
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Don't think so. When Raanta was hot, yes, but now, not so much. There are a lot of options for goalie in this draft. Like the above poster said.

Howard
Varlamov
Fleury (if he isn't traded)
One of the Dallas goalies
Korpisalo (who is cost controlled and young)
Halak (who could be moved for assets at TDL)
Reimer
Mason or Neuvirth

A lot will depend on who is protected on some teams. Best thing might be for them to take a goalie instead of someone who isn't much more than a 4th liner.

Grabner is my most likely to be gone unless we offer something to them to not take Grabner.
 
FLYLine27 said:
I don't think we have to worry about losing Grabner in the expansion draft...i'm pretty sure it's all but certain we are losing Raanta.
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There will be plenty of solid goalies to take and Grabner will be very valuable to Vegas after this season, they can flip him either in the summer or at the TDL for some good assets. I think it's pretty unlikely Grabner doesn't get picked as it stands right now, it's simple, he's the most valuable asset that will be available to them from us.
 
I know If I was trying to build a fan-base in a new market, I would want an explosive goal scorer probably more than anything.

You have to figure ownership will know they are probably not going to go out and win a Cup right away, or even make the playoffs, but a player like Grabner is a reason for people to buy a ticket.

Let's get a Cup with him this year!
 
mrjimmyg89 said:
Don't think so. When Raanta was hot, yes, but now, not so much. There are a lot of options for goalie in this draft. Like the above poster said.

Howard
Varlamov
Fleury (if he isn't traded)
One of the Dallas goalies
Korpisalo (who is cost controlled and young)
Halak (who could be moved for assets at TDL)
Reimer
Mason or Neuvirth

A lot will depend on who is protected on some teams. Best thing might be for them to take a goalie instead of someone who isn't much more than a 4th liner.

Grabner is my most likely to be gone unless we offer something to them to not take Grabner.
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Also Grubauer.
 
Thirty One said:
Also Grubauer.
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Knew I was leaving one off the list. A combo of Grubauer and Reimer, with Korpisalo in the minors would be good for them. Two guys with a lot to prove to be a #1 and someone who can continue to develop on a lower level. Some of these teams that might be looking to get bailed out by them taking an expensive goalie might not have it happen.
 
Blueshirt Special said:
I know If I was trying to build a fan-base in a new market, I would want an explosive goal scorer probably more than anything.

You have to figure ownership will know they are probably not going to go out and win a Cup right away, or even make the playoffs, but a player like Grabner is a reason for people to buy a ticket.

Let's get a Cup with him this year!
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Calling Grabner an explosive goal scorer is really, really generous.
 
NYR Viper said:
Wouldn't a goalie like Fleury, Howard, Reimer/Luongo or Ward be more attractive to Vegas?
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Fleury has an NMC. The Pens are required to protect him which means if somehow they can't figure out a way to get rid of him they'll be exposing Matt Murray.

It's the same deal we have deal we have with Nash, Girardi, Staal.
 
NYR Viper said:
I'd trade Nash for help on defense and then turn around to Grabner and ffer him a reasonable extension (say 2 years @ 2.75m) and tell him if he doesn't sign, he won't be protected and will therefore most likely end up on a ****** Las Vegas team in his contract year.

He has looked good here and if they can re-sign him, protecting him seems like a no-brainer
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I agree. I'd move Nash and keep Grabner. And it's not that Nash has been bad--he's been pretty decent this year but he's no longer in our scheme of things our go to offensive guy and with a $7.8 mil cap hit due to expire after next year anyway--moving Nash should bring back a nice return while opening up other cap options.
 
can you imagine if this guy gets between 35 and 40 goals this year? Without pp time in this time of hockey thats ridiculous.
 
eco's bones said:
I agree. I'd move Nash and keep Grabner. And it's not that Nash has been bad--he's been pretty decent this year but he's no longer in our scheme of things our go to offensive guy and with a $7.8 mil cap hit due to expire after next year anyway--moving Nash should bring back a nice return while opening up other cap options.
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Agreed Nash has been very good and playing with passion. Just gonna be hard to move him because what we will get in return in our eyes will not be fair value. I just don't see him bringing back a top RHD. Would we be willing to trade him for two seconds and a average prospect ? Or a first rounder straight up in what many say a weaker draft than last years.
 
If I were to guess the Rangers are going to lose one of these 4 guys in the Las Vegas draft. Grabner, Holden, Fast, Raanta. Holden and Fast are the likeliest IMO. Holden because he's very solid defensively, can play both sides and can move the puck a bit. Fast because he does a lot of little things and as an RFA there'd be a bit more control over his future.

I really don't think we're going to lose Raanta. There are a number of pretty good goalie options. Calvin Pickard. Joonas Korpisalo. James Reimer. Jaroslav Halak. Raanta. The potential that Pittsburgh is forced into a corner and have to protect Fleury over Matt Murray. Carter Hutton. Philipp Grubauer. And keeping in mind that Vegas could at the same time sign someone like Ben Bishop anyway.
 
bl02 said:
Agreed Nash has been very good and playing with passion. Just gonna be hard to move him because what we will get in return in our eyes will not be fair value. I just don't see him bringing back a top RHD. Would we be willing to trade him for two seconds and a average prospect ? Or a first rounder straight up in what many say a weaker draft than last years.
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Fair value can be pretty subjective term especially if you're looking at picks, prospects and also there's the question of the cap hit--whether the Rangers retain any of it because if we don't then we have a boatload of immediate cap $'s available for next year to upgrade our team and almost $8 mil..well maybe that gets us the puck moving d-man we really need.
 
bl02 said:
can you imagine if this guy gets between 35 and 40 goals this year? Without pp time in this time of hockey thats ridiculous.
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...and it's not just about Grabner--the way he's working with his line mates he could get 40 and JT could end up with 30 and 60+ points and Hayes 60+ points before all is said and done. As a unit those three appear to me to be getting better and better all the time.
 
Blueshirt Special said:
?? so his goals are boring?

Most are on the breakaway

He has elite speed when on the breakaway

How would you describe him in this context?
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Generally when we discuss "explosive" players, I think of players that take over the game and are generally very high scoring. Not explosive speed, so I misunderstood.
 
mrjimmyg89 said:
Don't think so. When Raanta was hot, yes, but now, not so much. There are a lot of options for goalie in this draft. Like the above poster said.

Howard
Varlamov
Fleury (if he isn't traded)
One of the Dallas goalies
Korpisalo (who is cost controlled and young)
Halak (who could be moved for assets at TDL)
Reimer
Mason or Neuvirth

A lot will depend on who is protected on some teams. Best thing might be for them to take a goalie instead of someone who isn't much more than a 4th liner.

Grabner is my most likely to be gone unless we offer something to them to not take Grabner.
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I think it will be Howard and Raanta they pick.

Raanta might turn into another Talbot.

Varlamov has been below average the last couple years, Fleury has a NMC, the Dallas goalies are old and not good. Korpisalo maybe, but he might be too much of a question mark. Halak is too old and likely not going be a starting anywhere again. Reimer and Neuvirth maybe but i think most will agree Raanta is the much better goalie than those 2 backups.
 
The 4th leading goal scorer in the NHL is exposed in the expansion draft and people think he's NOT going to get picked? Stop with the wishful thinking. Rangers can't just sneak Grabner through the expansion draft. If he's available, he's getting picked. The guy is tied with Alexander Ovechkin in goals and he hasn't seen the power play.

I don't know if people realize the magnitude of what Grabner is doing right now. I'm not a stats guy and I'm lazy but for him to be near the top of the league in goals scored and not be on either the first or second power play unit has to be some sort of record. Look at any player in the top 20 in goals and every single one of them is getting first unit PP time. You know how you used to look at Hagelin and think, "Wow, if he had hands and a decent shot he'd be amazing"? Well Grabner is that player in real life.

There are dozens of other goalies out there both through the draft and through free agency for Vegas to take. There aren't going to be many, if any, goal scorers.

The Rangers would be insane to not be speaking to other teams about Rick Nash right now. I don't like Nash at all but there's no question that he's playing his ass off right now. He looks like a monster on some shifts which is exactly why now is the right to trade him while we might just be able to fool some GM into thinking he's got one or two seasons of magic left. Cap space + ability to protect Grabner means I'd be willing to move him for any warm body that can play some solid 3rd D pair minutes.
 
StaalWars said:
The 4th leading goal scorer in the NHL is exposed in the expansion draft and people think he's NOT going to get picked? Stop with the wishful thinking. Rangers can't just sneak Grabner through the expansion draft. If he's available, he's getting picked. The guy is tied with Alexander Ovechkin in goals and he hasn't seen the power play.

I don't know if people realize the magnitude of what Grabner is doing right now. I'm not a stats guy and I'm lazy but for him to be near the top of the league in goals scored and not be on either the first or second power play unit has to be some sort of record. Look at any player in the top 20 in goals and every single one of them is getting first unit PP time. You know how you used to look at Hagelin and think, "Wow, if he had hands and a decent shot he'd be amazing"? Well Grabner is that player in real life.

There are dozens of other goalies out there both through the draft and through free agency for Vegas to take. There aren't going to be many, if any, goal scorers.

The Rangers would be insane to not be speaking to other teams about Rick Nash right now. I don't like Nash at all but there's no question that he's playing his ass off right now. He looks like a monster on some shifts which is exactly why now is the right to trade him while we might just be able to fool some GM into thinking he's got one or two seasons of magic left. Cap space + ability to protect Grabner means I'd be willing to move him for any warm body that can play some solid 3rd D pair minutes.
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I waffle back and forth on this so much. Not that Grabner would be the most likely of Rangers to be taken by Vegas - I think that's pretty much a given, but more about "will the real Grabner please stand up?"

Is this seasons Grabner the real one, or is he having a '94 Adam Graves fluke season? (No, I'm not comparing Grabner to Graves, so whoever is about to jump on me for that, just stop it before you even start).

Is he a "Mike York-esque late bloomer"?

Is this what Grabner is without nagging injuries?

If the Grabner we have right now IS Grabner, then we have to trade someone else to open up a protection slot for him (and like the poster I'm responding to, I think Nash makes the most sense), but is he that guy, or is this season just a one off?

Even if his goal totals drop severely, he's still a replacement for Hags (who I think we REALLY suffered for not having last year), but is having a replacement for Hags worth trading away a Nash or a Zucc to open a protection slot? I'm at a total loss as to an answer to this and might change my answer 20 times on any given day.
 
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