silverfish
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It's a fluke. He's shooting 19.47% and is out-pacing his expected goals by 9.
I'm happy to ride this fluke through the playoffs and then pawn him off on a team before expansion.
Player Discussion Michael Grabner
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It's a fluke. He's shooting 19.47% and is out-pacing his expected goals by 9.
I'm happy to ride this fluke through the playoffs and then pawn him off on a team before expansion.
"All these previous seasons"...you mean when he scored 34 goals, 20 goals and 16 (in 45 games) during the lockout right?
Grabner has done this before, people act like this is a super flukey season. While it hasn't happened lately there have been reasons why (stated several times in this very thread). With Grabner it is somewhat hard to predict where he will be in two to three years based on his past, but it is in no way a given that he will fall off the face of the earth next season again.
I disagree. He has the tools (speed and shot) to succeed in today's NHL if the team he plays for knows how to use him. And if he regresses to lets say 16-20 goals next season nobody can say that is bad production for a 3rd/4th liner.
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NickyFotiu
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If he was having these kind of seasons regularly he would be making 5 mill a year not 1.9 mill. That doesn't mean this is a fluke. Sometimes a guy finally find aspects of their game. Lidstrom won all his Norris trophies after he turned 30. The Twins cut Ortiz who found his game in Boston. Maybe Grabner found his consistent shooting ability.
Raspewtin
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The type of play your are describing has been the exception and not the rule.
Fall off of the face of the Earth? No. But the likelihood of a scoring regression? More than likely.
He is fine for a third line player. But he is certainly not touching those goal numbers from the 4th line. And considering that 2011 was the last time the netted 20 goals, I would say that the odds are against that on a go forward basis. But as a third line player who nets 12-15, he is just fine. And should be payed as such. Not as something that he is not.
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Inferno
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Grabner is a key player but not a core player.
You need strong bottom 6 forwards to win and that's what Grabner is. What he brings to depth and special teams is huge.
That said, his scoring is definitely fluky. I'm not surprised his shooting percentage is way above average, he gets an obscene amount of breakaways. What is surprising is that his shooting percentage is this abnormally high (over 20%, compared to his pre-16-17 career average of 11.7%) which is due to the fact that he is actually scoring on a lot of them, something he struggled with in the past.
Still, even if his shooting percentage normalizes you're looking at a bottom 6 player with nearly 20 goals who doesnt play the PP and excels on the PK. That is pretty awesome.
I think we get a nice offer for him before expansion, and then we all miss him next year.
You need strong bottom 6 forwards to win and that's what Grabner is. What he brings to depth and special teams is huge.
That said, his scoring is definitely fluky. I'm not surprised his shooting percentage is way above average, he gets an obscene amount of breakaways. What is surprising is that his shooting percentage is this abnormally high (over 20%, compared to his pre-16-17 career average of 11.7%) which is due to the fact that he is actually scoring on a lot of them, something he struggled with in the past.
Still, even if his shooting percentage normalizes you're looking at a bottom 6 player with nearly 20 goals who doesnt play the PP and excels on the PK. That is pretty awesome.
I think we get a nice offer for him before expansion, and then we all miss him next year.
Dude Is amazing. 25 goals this season while getting no PP time. Unreal.
By Grabner's hammer, you shall be scored upon.
By Grabner's hammer, you shall be scored upon.
darko
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Same here and I love Grabs. Especially if it comes from a team making a playoff push rather than a top team. The difference could be pick 18-20 compared to 28-30.
This is ridiculous. Every other chance he gets is on a breakaway, I sure would hope his shooting percentage would be high.
Irishguy42
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Could you imagine if he somehow won the Rocket Richard? I know that it's going to be tough catching Crosby, but I like to stop and think about this sometimes.
maurice richard not, i think he is not elite enough for that, crosby scores than 2 goals and so on ,Ovechkin is there no chance for that....
But when he not win the Selke than something is wrong ....
20+ Goals and +/- +24...
There is no other winner for that.
Fitzy
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Depends on the return tbh.
Sure, he is scoring at a fluky rate. But even if he is only a 15-20 goal guy that is extremely valuable. He's a great PK guy to boot on a good contract. Difficult to replace.
You could go out and get a guy like Stalberg to replace him but the downgrade really only becomes worth it if you get a really good trade return.
eco's bones
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The Rangers stretch game plays to his biggest strength and he's playing with very good players. Maybe this is a bit flukey but maybe not. As far as the shooting %--so many of his shots are coming from being in alone on the goaltender. Those kinds of shots are high percentage. The Rangers are looking to break this guy all the time and we've seen him even in one on one situations skate right around the defender. We've also seen a bunch of posts and crossbars. The Rangers are using his skating skills as a weapon to intimidate the opposition and the fact that 0 of his goals are off the power play and he's leading the league in even strength goals is testimony to how well that strategy has worked.
Inferno
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The type of season Grabner is having reminds me of the 30 goal season Radek Dvork had back in the early day's of Sather's tenure here. Sather traded him and there was outrage. Sather said when he traded him he asked himself is Dvork a 30 goal scorer of a guy who scored 30 goals. That made a lot of sense to me.
Right now Grabner is a guy that scored 3o goals. That could and should all change by the end of the season and he will be considered a 30 goal scorer.
Great thing for us is that he is signed for another year and the Rangers have options to decide what they want to do with him. One thing that I like is that Grabner has no issues with playing in the NY spotlight he has done it and has preformed well for two NYC teams.
Right now Grabner is a guy that scored 3o goals. That could and should all change by the end of the season and he will be considered a 30 goal scorer.
Great thing for us is that he is signed for another year and the Rangers have options to decide what they want to do with him. One thing that I like is that Grabner has no issues with playing in the NY spotlight he has done it and has preformed well for two NYC teams.
Thirty One
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When he traded Dvorak, he was a 6 goal scorer. I don't remember any outrage.
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good oneThe thing with Grabner is that yes it's extremely unlikely that he keeps up this pace even for the rest of the year much less next year, but his overall play is quite good and while he's a different style than Hagelin, he brings some of the same things which helps the team a lot. Pushing the opposing defense, being a threat to steal a puck and streak down the ice, pressure players before they're ready, etc. If a team blows you away with an offer, sure trade him, but if your offers are crap just keep him through next year (if he isn't picked in the expansion draft) and use the good things he brings to the team.
A guy isn't future garbage just because he's overperforming now
A guy isn't future garbage just because he's overperforming now
Problematique
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You guys do know we're 53 games into an 82 game season right?
That's a long fluke for a third/fourth liner.
That's a long fluke for a third/fourth liner.
Rangers in 7
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grabner scored 34 goals for the islanders in 2010-11
his production diminished every season after that (one season was cut short but you get what im saying)
hes a great player to have this season and id love for him to keep this up but i dont think he will be able to for multiple years
haveandare
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I noticed a few days ago from some post that he's in absurd shape. Does anybody know if he was always like that or if it's a semi recent thing? Could be tied to his dramatic increase in scoring if it's a recent thing but I never really followed him before NYR so I couldn't say.
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