That is something we desperately lacked last season on our PK
Yes it was......valuable to the largest extent.
"All these previous seasons"...you mean when he scored 34 goals, 20 goals and 16 (in 45 games) during the lockout right?
Grabner has done this before, people act like this is a super flukey season. While it hasn't happened lately there have been reasons why (stated several times in this very thread). With Grabner it is somewhat hard to predict where he will be in two to three years based on his past, but it is in no way a given that he will fall off the face of the earth next season again.
He HAS done this before, so I cannot understand how anyone can say that this is an out and out FLUKE!
This last statement couldn't be any more truthful.
I disagree. He has the tools (speed and shot) to succeed in today's NHL if the team he plays for knows how to use him. And if he regresses to lets say 16-20 goals next season nobody can say that is bad production for a 3rd/4th liner.
He became one of the recipients reaping the rewards of the little allowed clutching and grabbing. His speed is tailor made for the NEW NHL, as stated above.
without any reasonable doubt this is a fluke.
I'm a little confused by your wording.....but knowing you, its not in Grabs favor and discrediting what he affords this Rangers team. So, you're suggesting he cannot get at least 30 next year, if we assume he will do at least that this year?
Sounds negative and pessimistic.
If someone offers me a first for grabner take it and run.
But Grabner will skate right past you, and the offer will be bypassed.
Grabner is a key player but not a core player.
You need strong bottom 6 forwards to win and that's what Grabner is. What he brings to depth and special teams is huge.
That said, his scoring is definitely fluky. I'm not surprised his shooting percentage is way above average, he gets an obscene amount of breakaways. What is surprising is that his shooting percentage is this abnormally high (over 20%, compared to his pre-16-17 career average of 11.7%) which is due to the fact that he is actually scoring on a lot of them, something he struggled with in the past.
Still, even if his shooting percentage normalizes you're looking at a bottom 6 player with nearly 20 goals who doesnt play the PP and excels on the PK. That is pretty awesome.
I think we get a nice offer for him before expansion, and then we all miss him next year.
This may be true to an extent because of his age, but maybe, just maybe he has finally figured out how to slow down his game to the point of actually putting himself into a better position to score, opposed to mach speed and being ahead of the puck on his stick. He could become the next Jagr and play till he's 40+ and very successful at that.
If we get a nice offer for him.......do we definitely "take it"? Toronto's loss was our gain, because he underproduced on an inefficient offensive team. Why should we allow him to leave a successful marriage with an offense that KNOWS HIM and what it takes to succeed?
Same here and I love Grabs. Especially if it comes from a team making a playoff push rather than a top team. The difference could be pick 18-20 compared to 28-30.
I understand that the upcoming draft isnt anything special, are we really trying to recoup draft picks in exchange for a stick of dynamite named Grabner that does everything we need and more? Sorry, I'll take the bird (Eagle) in hand.
The Rangers stretch game plays to his biggest strength and he's playing with very good players. Maybe this is a bit flukey but maybe not. As far as the shooting %--so many of his shots are coming from being in alone on the goaltender. Those kinds of shots are high percentage. The Rangers are looking to break this guy all the time and we've seen him even in one on one situations skate right around the defender. We've also seen a bunch of posts and crossbars. The Rangers are using his skating skills as a weapon to intimidate the opposition and the fact that 0 of his goals are off the power play and he's leading the league in even strength goals is testimony to how well that strategy has worked.
These 2 statements, people really need to let sink in. Its the truth, no matter if you want to admit it, or not. Especially the "maybe not" part.
The thing with Grabner is that yes it's extremely unlikely that he keeps up this pace even for the rest of the year much less next year, but his overall play is quite good and while he's a different style than Hagelin, he brings some of the same things which helps the team a lot. Pushing the opposing defense, being a threat to steal a puck and streak down the ice, pressure players before they're ready, etc. If a team blows you away with an offer, sure trade him, but if your offers are crap just keep him through next year (if he isn't picked in the expansion draft) and use the good things he brings to the team.
With that etc.......I will include something that HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED. Opposing defenseman cannot and sometimes WILL NOT pinch, knkwing he is on the ice, and the "slightest hesitation, or misread" will lead to a breakaway. He gets them anyway, but you have to believe it alleviates some offensive pressure put on the Rangers if they simply cannot take that chance. He SAVES goals.
A guy isn't future garbage just because he's overperforming now
Yes, even if he leveled out to what we all may have expected, he is still a good find, and I may be of the minority in thinking that as long as he stays on this team and he has JT, Zuccha and Hayes feeding him.......well, 30 goals should be "expected" and therfore the year after......people would have no choice but to say it wasnt a fluke.
grabner scored 34 goals for the islanders in 2010-11
his production diminished every season after that (one season was cut short but you get what im saying)
hes a great player to have this season and id love for him to keep this up but i dont think he will be able to for multiple years
Could've been on his teammates, bad luck, injuries, family problems, bad regimen, partying too much........lots of things could cause anyone to have a bad season......, seems like a rejuvenated player to me, and on a mission.......just saying.
could be likely a meet-in-the-middle situation. I've never seen Grabner rip wrist shots, especially bar down, on breakaways like he has this season. I think this is a better player than he's been in other years, and I don't think the sh% raise is completely incidental. (Also think Miller needs to get much more credit when we discuss Grabner's success.) But I imagine we shouldn't count on him for 30 goals, or to lead the league in EV goals ever.
That said, it's important to note that a player who gets you as many chances as Grabner does is valuable outside his production.
Yeah like said above........backing off offensive defensemen in our dzone.
I don't think it is a full fluke. 30 goals in 76 games. 20 goals in 78. 16 in 45.
He is a player that has to be in the right system to succeed. Trade him right now and I bet he scores 2-3 goals the rest of the season to whoever trades for him. I would expect him to score 20 next year if we still have him. I think that is reasonable. I had him pegged for at least 15+ this year and people said I was crazy. I knew he would be a good fit.
And he is......leave him be. We need to protect him and trade......yeah, that guy from Minnesota. Trade him for Dumba and a #1 in 2019.
Think the Rangers are better off keeping him for a run or two. I did not think the Rangers were sellers now. Upgrade the D, and think they have a legit chance. Grabner is just that scoring depth that helps you get deep into the playoffs.
In the "nick of time!"
