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Player Discussion Michael Grabner

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StaalWars said:
At what point do you start having to give him more minutes? Any other player would be on the PP by now with how he's been playing. I understand that there's an advantage in limiting him to low minutes and specific situations but I think he's earned some PP time.
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I don't think his skills translate to PP success.
 
eyjee said:
ANA already has enough problems protecting everyone they're not going to add another player they have to protect for a player that's exempt. For this reason, in the off-season before expansion, I think ARI or BUF would be good landing spots for Grabner.
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What is your reasoning for thinking either AZ or BUF would be willing to acquire Grabner?
 
StaalWars said:
At what point do you start having to give him more minutes? Any other player would be on the PP by now with how he's been playing. I understand that there's an advantage in limiting him to low minutes and specific situations but I think he's earned some PP time.
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Unless the team changes their strategy to try and score exclusively on breakaways on the PP, I don't think he'd make sense there. The guy is scoring plenty in his role. Why mess with it?
 
This past summer, after a disappointing first round Stanley Cup Playoff exit, the New York Rangers and General Manager Jeff Gorton got to work in trying to fix the Blueshirts squad. Among a couple trades, free-agent signings, and so on, one move proved quite worthy, and is proving to be worth every single cent. The Rangers signed free-agent forward Michael Grabner to a two year, $3.2 million contract extension in July. The team needed to find a speedy, skillful, and overall experienced player to fill in the roll of Carl Hagelin, whom the team traded away a season prior. With Grabner, the team got all that and more. Not only can Grabner skate extremely fast and is agile, he can score goals and play sound defensively.

http://lastwordonhockey.com/2017/01/18/michael-grabner-new-york-rangers/
 
Grabs was the 3rd guy to score 20 goals for both the Rangers and the Islanders. That is pretty cool.
 
wolfgaze said:
So is it pretty much guaranteed that Vegas will draft him?
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I think Vegas probably has their eyes on younger played they can keep beyond one year. Lindberg? Fast? Clendening? Maybe I'm wrong but if I wanted to build a team from scratch I would take players that I could hold onto
 
We'll lose Grabner or Raanta I'm sure.

Both would be bad for us. Grabner really does a lot, especially at his cost. I loved Hagelin, and we have that again.

Raanta we need because of Hank's inconsistency this season. We can't gamble on him coming back to top form moving forward. I hope he does, but it's not guaranteed. Raanta helps alleviate that until we get another decent backup or one of our prospects steps in. Shesty is a way off and won't necessarily automatically translate to NHL success, let alone instantly.

I'd have to look at goalie lists to know what else is out there. I haven't really done any homework on this. If there's a comparable goalie, I'm sure they'll go for that and take Grabner. Yes they definitely want cost controlled young assets but I'm sure they know the value in a guy like Grabner at his cap for a year. Speedy PK'ing vet who can score, even if history has shown that it isn't consistent? Every team would want current Grabner.
 
NickyFotiu said:
Ray Ferraro.
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The infamous Ferraro trade with the Kings still ranks as one of the worst I can remember. They traded our second line center who was a good fit along with Norstrom and Laperriere for Kurri, McSorley and Churla. I think Nathan Lafayette was also part of the deal. It was just awful. As if to prove so, they got humiliated on ESPN a couple of nights later.

Sadly, Churla was the best part of that deal. McSorley was washed and Kurri basically done. Messier called the shots.
 
Kovy274Hart said:
The infamous Ferraro trade with the Kings still ranks as one of the worst I can remember. They traded our second line center who was a good fit along with Norstrom and Laperriere for Kurri, McSorley and Churla. I think Nathan Lafayette was also part of the deal. It was just awful. As if to prove so, they got humiliated on ESPN a couple of nights later.

Sadly, Churla was the best part of that deal. McSorley was washed and Kurri basically done. Messier called the shots.
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Toffnuss
 
Rangerfan4life90 said:
I actually think there's a good chance Vegas won't take Grabner.

My money is on either Fast, Holden, or Raanta.
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Not that I love Holden or anything, but losing him and not getting Shattenkirk...

Our D would be simply amazing next season. If we think this year is bad!

So much needs to be done there.
 
Kovy274Hart said:
The infamous Ferraro trade with the Kings still ranks as one of the worst I can remember. They traded our second line center who was a good fit along with Norstrom and Laperriere for Kurri, McSorley and Churla. I think Nathan Lafayette was also part of the deal. It was just awful. As if to prove so, they got humiliated on ESPN a couple of nights later.

Sadly, Churla was the best part of that deal. McSorley was washed and Kurri basically done. Messier called the shots.
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That was a bad trade but the only loss that hurt me for a while was Norstrom.
 
NickyFotiu said:
That was a bad trade but the only loss that hurt me for a while was Norstrom.
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This organization at that time came VERY CLOSE to losing me for good. One bad move after another, no identity, continuous well deserved standing ovations, when "last minute of play" was announced. Pathetic. Wasn't that on or about the time we lost Dunham?
 
Back to Grabner, I'm still swirling around in my head if the BEST THING TO DO, would be trading Stepan (good return)and protecting Grabner, sheds major cap dollars and bank on Grabner continuing to be a game changer.

Also, Boo Nieves may be ready next year......right? He could replace Grabs speed, but nowhere as dangerous as Grabs has been and responsible defensively.
 
NickyFotiu said:
They could but based on age and previous history its not guaranteed. Couldn't we give Vegas a late pick not to take him?
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I know u said that in jest, because I thought of that as well. I think it would be illegal. Bribery to the mighty Vegas owner....."please don't take my guy! I'll give u a draft pick......okay?"
 
Stasis said:
We'll lose Grabner or Raanta I'm sure.

Both would be bad for us. Grabner really does a lot, especially at his cost. I loved Hagelin, and we have that again.

Raanta we need because of Hank's inconsistency this season. We can't gamble on him coming back to top form moving forward. I hope he does, but it's not guaranteed. Raanta helps alleviate that until we get another decent backup or one of our prospects steps in. Shesty is a way off and won't necessarily automatically translate to NHL success, let alone instantly.

I'd have to look at goalie lists to know what else is out there. I haven't really done any homework on this. If there's a comparable goalie, I'm sure they'll go for that and take Grabner. Yes they definitely want cost controlled young assets but I'm sure they know the value in a guy like Grabner at his cap for a year. Speedy PK'ing vet who can score, even if history has shown that it isn't consistent? Every team would want current Grabner.
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I'm pretty sure they only get 1 player from each team.
 
Hagelin is one of the most overrated Rangers in recent memory the way some of you romanticize him. Grabner is having a good (and really lucky) year. He's very likely not scoring 20 goals next year. You kinda have to trade him if you're getting good offers, like a late 1st.
 
If you get a 1st round pick for Grabner, you take it. There's no reason not to. There are other players every year in free agency that can do what he does. It's just that our mindset has changed since Gorton took over. A different style and signing different players has resulted into our team having more speed. Look at the forward depth we have this season...
 
NYR1967 said:
I'm pretty sure they only get 1 player from each team.
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there are always plenty of decent backups on the UFA market. Would not worry about that.

Even then we could probably swing for another backup goalie the way we did after we traded Talbot. Throwaway prospect for a throwaway goalie. With Benny Allaire here, I'm never worried about that.
 
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