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Confirmed with Link: Michael Amadio on waivers | UPD: Claimed by Vegas

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fahad203 said:
There's a fine line between depth players and fillers. Mikaheyv is a depth player and so is Kase

Amadio and Brooks are fillers. Every team needs fillers due to cap issues and covid to ice teams

We have no good depth. These players being picked up speaks very little of our depth and more that our team is full of fillers.
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So there’s a lot of depth in fillers at least . Teams like Montreal and Vegas who are said to be very deep find Leaf fillers preferable to their fillers I guess.
 
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fahad203 said:
There's a fine line between depth players and fillers. Mikaheyv is a depth player and so is Kase

Amadio and Brooks are fillers. Every team needs fillers due to cap issues and covid to ice teams

We have no good depth. These players being picked up speaks very little of our depth and more that our team is full of fillers.
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That is an excellent perspective way to clarify this, by defining the difference between "true depth" contributing players and roster "seat fillers" to dress full lineups, during times of need and special circumstances. :thumbu:

Filler players to offset salary cap expenditures vs depth players expected to be contributing secondary scoring players.

It was probably 50/50 if Amadio would even make the Leaf roster out of camp, and came with very little expectations beyond a 4th line player if needed. If Mikheyev hadn't gotten hurt preseason Amadio likely would have been on the Marlies right now.

PS. I wouldn't be surprised if the end game play here was to dump a contract on waivers at league minimum to be able to sign Josh Ho-Sang to an NHL deal and recall him to the NHL, as he has gotten off to a quick start in the AHL with 4 goals in 5 games, and Leafs might be looking for an offensive spark.
 
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fahad203 said:
There's a fine line between depth players and fillers. Mikaheyv is a depth player and so is Kase

Amadio and Brooks are fillers. Every team needs fillers due to cap issues and covid to ice teams

We have no good depth. These players being picked up speaks very little of our depth and more that our team is full of fillers.
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Fantastic, epic spin.
 
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zeke said:
Fantastic, epic spin.
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Leafs suck, yet their players gets claimed.

The funniest thing is the outrage once players are claimed, and the inevitable bottom feeders come in and blame Dubas for losing quality depth....odd, because in every other thread it's the Leafs have no depth because of cap.

The spin is meme worthy.
 
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fahad203 said:
There's a fine line between depth players and fillers. Mikaheyv is a depth player and so is Kase

Amadio and Brooks are fillers. Every team needs fillers due to cap issues and covid to ice teams

We have no good depth. These players being picked up speaks very little of our depth and more that our team is full of fillers.
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Here's how their epic depth compares to our useless depth so far btw (I.e. non-top6 caphits):

Bunting 8gms 4pts ---- Roy 6gms 3pts
Spezza 8gms 4pts ----- Dadonov 8gms 3pts
Engvall 8gms 3pts ---- Kolesar 8gms 2pts
Simmonds 8gms 3pts - Patrick 4gms 1pts
Kase 8gms 2pts --------- Carrier 6gms 1pts
Kampf 8gms 2pts ------ Janmark 3gns 0pts
Amadio 3gms 0pts ---- Howden 6gms 0pts
Semyonov 0gms 0pts - Leschyshen 6gms 0pts
Robertson 0gms 0pts-- Krebs 8gms 0pts
Mikheyev ----------------------- Tuch -------
 
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zeke said:
Here's how their epic depth compares to our useless depth so far btw (I.e. non-top6 caphits):

Bunting 8gms 4pts ---- Roy 6gms 3pts
Spezza 8gms 4pts ----- Dadonov 8gms 3pts
Engvall 8gms 3pts ---- 8gms 2pts
Simmonds 8gms 3pts - Patrick 4gms 1pts
Kase 8gms 2pts --------- Carrier 6gms 1pts
Kampf 8gms 2pts ------ Janmark 3gns 0pts
Amadio 3gms 0pts ---- Howden 6gms 0pts
Semyonov 0gms 0pts - Leschyshen 6gms 0pts
Robertson 0gms 0pts-- Krebs 8gms 0pts
Mikheyev ----------------------- Tuch -------
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Now do Montreal lol.
 
The way to distinguish the difference between a "depth player", and a "seat filler" is that a depth player has monetary value in asset exchange thus you would trade him, and a seat filler has no trade value so you take him out the curb, write FREE on waivers and then get nothing in return.

Signing a group VI UFA for free in the summer and then tossing him on waivers after 1/2 a dozen games and he is claimed for free, isn't a testament to how strong your own team is, nor does it speak to the job performance of your GM in a positive way either, where not signing him at all to an NHL contract has the same net end residual result as doing nothing would have for both sides of that transaction.

Mike Amadio is simply this year version of last year's Travis Boyd, who was that previous years model of Nick Shore.
 
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kb said:
Leafs suck, yet their players gets claimed.

The funniest thing is the outrage once players are claimed, and the inevitable bottom feeders come in and blame Dubas for losing quality depth....odd, because in every other thread it's the Leafs have no depth because of cap.

The spin is meme worthy.
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who's outraged over Amadio getting claimed ?
 
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Semyonov, Ho-sang, and Anderson have all been playing well down on the Marlies. This isn't a big loss. I'd let those guys keep building up their confidence in the AHL, and bring up Gabriel just to have his personality around the team as the 13th forward. But this loss isn't a big deal by any means
 
SprDaVE said:
Teams don't pick up bad players just for fun. They pick up good ones to fit a need, or ones that are upgrades from their list of potential call-ups. Every team has a farm team with players.

Changing the term "depth" for "fillers" doesn't change anything here. Depth is depth. Filler is a synonym to depth and the Leafs lost another depth player to a team likely thinking he's good enough to fit in their depth.

It is funny to many of us that Amadio and Brooks are deemed awful depth players but good enough for teams with perceived better depth... they don't have an Amadio or Brooks on their respective team? If they are just "filler" players, teams with better depth would have better "filler" players... but yet... here we are...
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Are you saying Alexey Marchenko was a good player because the Leafs picked him up on waivers?
 
All Mod Cons said:
Are you saying Alexey Marchenko was a good player because the Leafs picked him up on waivers?
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He was better than what we had at the time? Our defensive depth was pretty iffy and Marchenko seemed ok. I don't remember our injury situation at the time either. Babcock *loved* Marchenko.

I feel like you focused on one part of my post and completely ignored the rest.
 
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Golden Knights claim forward Michael Amadio off waivers from Maple Leafs - The Athletic

The Vegas Golden Knights claimed 25-year-old forward Michael Amadio off of waivers on Saturday from Toronto. In three games with the Maple Leafs this season, Amadio is scoreless.

In 176 career games with the Kings, Senators and Maple Leafs, Amadio has 40 points (16 goals, 24 assists). He was originally drafted by the Kings with the 90th pick in the 2014 NHL Draft.

The Golden Knights are currently down several key forwards due to injury, including captain Mark Stone, Max Pacioretty and Alex Tuch, the latter two of which are out long term.

Where will Amadio fit in the Vegas lineup?

Jesse Granger, Golden Knights writer: Amadio adds another bottom-six forward to the Golden Knights' arsenal, which helps tremendously at the moment with all the injuries they’re currently dealing with. Coach Pete DeBoer said Friday that teams can’t have enough NHL-caliber players this season with the condensed schedule due to the Olympic break in February. I wouldn’t be surprised if Amadio draws into the lineup immediately, on the Golden Knights’ third or fourth line.

Why did the Maple Leafs waive Amadio?

Joshua Kloke, Toronto writer: Despite Amadio being named to the opening-night roster in place of Adam Brooks, he never made his mark with the Leafs. In three games with the Leafs, Amadio averaged just over nine minutes of ice time, was held pointless and his underlying numbers didn't suggest a breakout was imminent.

He offers some size and decent enough NHL experience, which probably kept him on the roster ahead of Brooks. But he certainly didn't get the runway to showcase himself, and never looked completely comfortable on a Leafs team stacked with forwards and under pressure to win right away.

There's probably a serviceable fourth-line player in there somewhere. However, there was little wiggle room on the Leafs' fourth line with Jason Spezza and Wayne Simmonds' spots essentially set in stone, so Amadio was deemed expendable.
 
SprDaVE said:
He was better than what we had at the time? Our defensive depth was pretty iffy and Marchenko seemed ok. I feel like you focused on one part of my post and completely ignored the rest.
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It sounded like you're saying that only good players get picked up on waivers and that all Leafs players are super good, which we both know is incorrect.

I don't understand the trying to prove we are good because someone claimed a player that played 3 NHL games for us.
 
All Mod Cons said:
It sounded like you're saying that only good players get picked up on waivers and that all Leafs players are super good, which we both know is incorrect.

I don't understand the trying to prove we are good because someone claimed a player that played 3 NHL games for us.
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That's not at all what I said nor what I implied.

Players that get picked up on waivers are usually because they fill a depth need and they are typically better what the team has on their farm team. They wouldn't pick up a bad player like Amadio for fun or if they had an Amadio on the Silver Knights ready to go or if they had a 23 player roster.

Nobody is saying Amadio is great or amazing. He's a solid and efficient depth player and he got picked up. Ditto for Brooks.

But reading that the Leafs depth is awful and their bad depth players keep getting picked up is relatively funny.
 
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2021-22: Brooks, Amadio
2020-21: Dell, Vesey, Boyd
2019-20: Shore, Timashov
2018-19: McElhinney, Pickard

I'm curious how 9 players lost on waivers stacks up to the rest of the league over the past 4 years.

I liked Brooks, but not one to rue. Other than McElhinney in hindsight, it's a consistent collection of players that, uh, don't matter.
 
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