Post-Game Talk: Meet The New Boss, Nothing Like The Old Boss, Jets WIN 5-1

[SensibleGuy]

Pretty disingenuous of the media (1290) to report that EK was in street clothes. But somehow fail to mention he skated for an hour with a strength and conditioning coach earlier that morning?

you guys are all mis-interpreting what you heard on the radio. It was reported early in the day that Kane had been out on the ice skating prior to the morning skate. Later in the day they were talking about PM's insistence on conditioning and ralphie - referring to the fact that Kane had been skating earlier in the day - drew a comparison to practice earlier in the week when he'd come out and skated for a few minutes and then left the ice. He asked the question "why can't you skate with a hand injury?" He was high-lighting a possible difference between Noel and Maurice. He wasn't asking that in reference to Kane being in street clothes for the morning skate yesterday. He was asking it in ref to Kane having LEFT the ice earlier this week under Noel...

 

[RonJon]

Pretty disingenuous of the media (1290) to report that EK was in street clothes. But somehow fail to mention he skated for an hour with a strength and conditioning coach earlier that morning?

Ya that was Rick Ralph that said he didn't see a reason why he couldn't skate with the club with a hand injury. Well lets see....the new coach had just hit the ground a few hours prior...he hasn't even talked to his team yet...had a game in about 8 hours...and Kane skated earlier with the other "walking wounded". Maybe that's why he wasn't on the ice? In this instance less distractions for Maurice was a good thing.

 

[Romang67]

That made my morning!

 

[CorgisPer60]

"Not being able to speak the language was one thing. The food is different. Everything is different. More importantly, what we teach and hold as true and valuable is not the same as over there. These young guys come over and you're going to ask as a coach in two weeks for him to change his game? When he's done it for 18 years and been heralded as a great player coming out of Russia?
"And then after the two weeks when it's not done, you get mad at him and don't like him.
"I'm guilty of that."

An excerpt from this morning's papers regarding Maurice's time in Russia. I like that quote.

 

[RonJon]

you guys are all mis-interpreting what you heard on the radio. It was reported early in the day that Kane had been out on the ice skating prior to the morning skate. Later in the day they were talking about PM's insistence on conditioning and ralphie - referring to the fact that Kane had been skating earlier in the day - drew a comparison to practice earlier in the week when he'd come out and skated for a few minutes and then left the ice. He asked the question "why can't you skate with a hand injury?" He was high-lighting a possible difference between Noel and Maurice. He wasn't asking that in reference to Kane being in street clothes for the morning skate yesterday. He was asking it in ref to Kane having LEFT the ice earlier this week under Noel...

That's not how I heard it. He was part of the full practice that day testing the hand, and left the practice early because he couldn't fully take part. Ralph questioned (more than once) why he couldn't be out with the regular club with a hand injury...but whatever Maurice had enough on his plate without the distraction of extra players out there for a pleasure skate.

 

[Aavco Cup]

For those that missed/want to see the crazy PP again



edit: LOL I didn't realize the ref got the puck on the noggin at the end

I normally despise that behind the net camera angle but loved it in this case. This video is up there with the flying W 5 on 1 goal AFAIC. Best non goal PP ever?

 

[LadyJet26]

I normally despise that behind the net camera angle but loved it in this case. This video is up there with the flying W 5 on 1 goal AFAIC. Best non goal PP ever?

My mother and I (me in the living room, her in her room) were both complaining about it until the shooting gallery. Half the time you never see the puck going back to the point because the camera guy can't catch it fast enough.

 

[SensibleGuy]

That's not how I heard it. He was part of the full practice that day testing the hand, and left the practice early because he couldn't fully take part. Ralph questioned (more than once) why he couldn't be out with the regular club with a hand injury...but whatever Maurice had enough on his plate without the distraction of extra players out there for a pleasure skate.

and again, you are mistaken. He was asking why Kane had left the practice earlier this week after a few minutes of skating. He was drawing a comparison between that and yesterday when Kane actually did come out for a full skate prior to the rest of the teams morning skate. He was questioning why you can't SKATE with a hand injury...

 

[King Woodballs]

That's not how I heard it. He was part of the full practice that day testing the hand, and left the practice early because he couldn't fully take part. Ralph questioned (more than once) why he couldn't be out with the regular club with a hand injury...but whatever Maurice had enough on his plate without the distraction of extra players out there for a pleasure skate.

Depending on how bad the hand injury is, he may not be able to hold his stick.

Why (if that is the case, and I don't know if it is or isn't) would be out there risking further injury?

 

[Aavco Cup]

you guys are all mis-interpreting what you heard on the radio. It was reported early in the day that Kane had been out on the ice skating prior to the morning skate. Later in the day they were talking about PM's insistence on conditioning and ralphie - referring to the fact that Kane had been skating earlier in the day - drew a comparison to practice earlier in the week when he'd come out and skated for a few minutes and then left the ice. He asked the question "why can't you skate with a hand injury?" He was high-lighting a possible difference between Noel and Maurice. He wasn't asking that in reference to Kane being in street clothes for the morning skate yesterday. He was asking it in ref to Kane having LEFT the ice earlier this week under Noel...

I don't listen to 1290. I got the impression from some posts here (pretty negative towards EK for not skating with a hand injury) that the misinformation came from the radio. If that's what 1290 reported then I'm not sure where the negativity came from?

 

[SensibleGuy]

I don't listen to 1290. I got the impression from some posts here (pretty negative towards EK for not skating with a hand injury) that the misinformation came from the radio. If that's what 1290 reported then I'm not sure where the negativity came from?

It came from people mis-understanding the point Ralph was making. I do listen to 1290. All day.

 

[SensibleGuy]

Depending on how bad the hand injury is, he may not be able to hold his stick.

Why (if that is the case, and I don't know if it is or isn't) would be out there risking further injury?

Obviously. Which is why the question Ralph was asking was "why can't a player at least skate (as Kane DID yesterday but appeared NOT TO DO under Noel) to keep conditioning up even with a hand injury?" Ralph was aware - as was I since I'd read the tweets earlier in the morning - that Kane had been out skating already. He was noting that that was something a bit different from the Noel regime...

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Kane has played through injuries before - I have no doubt that if he could, he'd be on the ice. He might have his warts, but if there's any possibility of him being able to go, he goes. At this point, we really don't know how bad his injury is, so the ruminations in the media are all conjecture, IMHO.

There's also a timeline thing going on here, so some conjecture from me: it's possible that his hand was so bad a couple of days ago, that he couldn't participate, vs. yesterday.

 

[SensibleGuy]

Kane has played through injuries before - I have no doubt that if he could, he'd be on the ice. He might have his warts, but if there's any possibility of him being able to go, he goes. At this point, we really don't know how bad his injury is, so the ruminations in the media are all conjecture, IMHO.

There's also a timeline thing going on here, so some conjecture from me: it's possible that his hand was so bad a couple of days ago, that he couldn't participate, vs. yesterday.

yes, but once again this isn't about his participating in full practice. Its about his not even skating under Noel.

 

[Jimby]

My thoughts as well. I think Noel was coaching a system that was not suitable for the existing players so they have to overthink and lose confidence. Maurice changes the system to fit the players. I think he can take us to the next level. Maybe not this year but maybe next year!

I'm getting the impression that losing Noel was a big burden lifted for some of these guys. Its almost like Claudes gameplans had them all confused and unsure of what to do. Maybe last night was just your typical "new coach enthusiasm" but I'm thinking that PM may be intuitive enough to keep it simple for these guys.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Jets practice tomorrow at 11:30 open to the public at the iceplex.

Is anyone going?

We're talkin' about systems
(read using an Alan Iverson voice)

 

[YWGinYYZ]

yes, but once again this isn't about his participating in full practice. Its about his not even skating under Noel.

Understood - I can see how someone could tie those thoughts together. For me: molehill => mountain.

 

[King Woodballs]

Obviously. Which is why the question Ralph was asking was "why can't a player at least skate (as Kane DID yesterday but appeared NOT TO DO under Noel) to keep conditioning up even with a hand injury?" Ralph was aware - as was I since I'd read the tweets earlier in the morning - that Kane had been out skating already. He was noting that that was something a bit different from the Noel regime...

With or without the team it doesnt matter.
I think WAY too much is being read into this.

Just like YWGinYYZ, I don't question Kane in this matter.

Who cares if it is a hand, or any other body part.
Maybe after two or three days of re hab it was better and good enough to skate.

If this was Bogosian no one would be saying a thing.

 

[CorgisPer60]

What are we talking about again? Kane not practising with the club? His hand is hurt, no?

 

[LadyJet26]

And for all we know, Kane was doing some training off ice? I've had a hand injury, you can't do much. Running on a treadmill hurts your hand.

 

[SensibleGuy]

With or without the team it doesnt matter.
I think WAY too much is being read into this.

Just like YWGinYYZ, I don't question Kane in this matter.

Who cares if it is a hand, or any other body part.
Maybe after two or three days of re hab it was better and good enough to skate.

If this was Bogosian no one would be saying a thing.

Please pay attention.

Its not about Kane. Its about Noel. The point wasn't that Kane is whining about his hand hurting. It was that Noel was letting the players take it easy and Maurice is maybe making them work a bit more. Under Noel, Kane came out on the ice at practice and skated for a minute and then bagged it because his hand was no good and Noel LET him. Under Maurice, he came out on his own and skated a considerable amount in spite of his hand injury.

 

[Darth Handsome*]

My mother and I (me in the living room, her in her room) were both complaining about it until the shooting gallery. Half the time you never see the puck going back to the point because the camera guy can't catch it fast enough.

I love that camera angle. I wish broadcasts were shown in the "Classic" camera angle of the video games. That would be sweet.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

The good feeling may not last forever, as the team and Maurice have a lot of work to do, but in the meantime, I'm going to enjoy the heck out of one of our most dominant victories of the current franchise's history - this puts a smile on my face:

Rank|Player |Team |Pos |GP |G |A |P|+/- |PIM |PP |SH |GW |OT |S |S% |TOI/G |Sft/G |FO%
1|Nathan MacKinnon|COL|C|45|15|14|29|6|16|7|0|4|0|129|11.6|16:22|20.2|40.2
2|Chris Kreider|NYR|L|40|12|15|27|11|54|5|0|0|0|92|13.0|16:22|21.8|28.6
3|Tyler Johnson|TBL|C|46|12|14|26|9|14|3|0|3|0|101|11.9|18:24|24.3|47.4
4|Tomas Hertl|SJS|C|35|15|10|25|11|2|3|0|3|0|94|16.0|15:19|21.9|56.9
5|Mark Scheifele|WPG|C|48|7|17|24|-1|8|1|0|1|1|71|9.9|16:04|19.4|42.8
6|Torey Krug|BOS|D|45|10|13|23|3|14|4|0|2|1|98|10.2|17:32|21.8|0.0
7|Alex Chiasson|DAL|R|43|8|15|23|-15|28|2|0|2|0|89|9.0|16:14|22.4|46.5
8|Ondrej Palat|TBL|L|46|9|13|22|15|14|0|1|2|0|85|10.6|16:52|22.7|16.1
9|Valeri Nichushkin|DAL|R|44|9|13|22|11|6|2|0|1|0|76|11.8|15:19|19.3|0.0
10|Aleksander Barkov|FLA|C|45|7|15|22|-2|6|3|0|1|0|69|10.1|17:05|23.0|49.6

 

[King Woodballs]

Please pay attention.

Its not about Kane. Its about Noel. The point wasn't that Kane is whining about his hand hurting. It was that Noel was letting the players take it easy and Maurice is maybe making them work a bit more. Under Noel, Kane came out on the ice at practice and skated for a minute and then bagged it because his hand was no good and Noel LET him. Under Maurice, he came out on his own and skated a considerable amount in spite of his hand injury.

I know who it is about.
Thank you very much.

I am saying there is a difference in three days
His hand could have healed enough for him to practice in that time frame.
You, I, nor anyone else know anything about this situation.

Maybe Noel let it slide, maybe Kane was just too hurt. No one knows.

This just looks like piling on a man that can't defend himself.

 

[SensibleGuy]

You got that right. It doesn't matter. Actually the point Ralph was making was probably silly in the first place. It was just one of those off hand little observation they make in trying to highlight little differences between the old regime and the new and it got misinterpreted and blown out of proportion.

edit - It's tough to see a reason why any hand injury, even a broken hand, would keep him from going out and skating (not practicing, just skating) for a while for conditioning.