Post-Game Talk: Meet The New Boss, Nothing Like The Old Boss, Jets WIN 5-1

[allan5oh]

It's waaaay too early to say that. Maurice even said that he did almost nothing in the way of X's and O's with the team.

Jets players are wanting to make a good first impression for Maurice, and are probably a tad angry at themselves for getting Noel fired. That's all I took from this game.

That doesn't mean he didn't make adjustments. Probably small stuff.

 

[sipowicz]

Kane skated before the team did, with the strength coach and other scratched players.

My bad, you know I heard that comment directed at Kane about not practising with the team on 1290 TSN!

PS Who was that D man wearing #44 for the Jets, he looked good.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Dig Pardy's stat line over his past five games...

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8471385

 

[winterpeg]

My bad, you know I heard that comment directed at Kane about not practising with the team on 1290 TSN!

I just saw somewhere earlier that he was on ice with three other players before the team practice, so I knew he did skate today when everyone was like "OMHASEDRFAWER STREET CLOTHES!?!"

Just keepin' you in check sip,

 

[Hank Chinaski]

So has Eric been worth the wait? I know he scored tonight, but as a whole is he gonna stick in the NHL

Honestly, I think the concerns about his skating are a bit overblown. He's not explosive by any stretch, but he gets around just fine. He actually seems to have a pretty decent top gear.

Reminds me a little bit of Chad LaRose, that's probably his upside.

 

[sipowicz]

Caption-able photo:

From Winnipeg Sun

 

[alchemyindex]

For those that missed/want to see the crazy PP again



edit: LOL I didn't realize the ref got the puck on the noggin at the end

Absolutely love that they had this camera angle rolling for when this happened. Gettin' me choked up over here.

 

[bluefan]

I was just so ****ing glad to see Jets actually were aggressive in their own zone. Each and every time Phoenix was cycling the puck on the blue line a Jets player would skate up to their face.

We can finally say good riddance to the 5 man box.

 

[winterpeg]

Caption-able photo:

From Winnipeg Sun

That woman to his right is almost as captionable as he is!

 

[Hank Chinaski]

That doesn't mean he didn't make adjustments. Probably small stuff.

Yeah, but that's not my point. It's still way too early to say the Jets are buying in to Maurice, they don't even know what they're being sold.

It was really nice to see him coaching up the Jets in mid-game. That's not every coach's style (certainly wasn't Noel's), but maybe that's what the players need at this point.

 

[sipowicz]

Hey that was a great clip alchemyindex

 

[Galbatross]

That woman to his right is almost as captionable as he is!

same with Huddy...

"Well I guess I have about 36 games left of being employed."

 

[Hank Chinaski]

That woman to his right is almost as captionable as he is!

"Harumph! Finally, a head coach that doesn't buy suits from Winners!".

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Honestly, I think the concerns about his skating are a bit overblown. He's not explosive by any stretch, but he gets around just fine. He actually seems to have a pretty decent top gear.

Reminds me a little bit of Chad LaRose, that's probably his upside.

Yup, other than the last bit. I think he's got more offense than LaRose, IMO.

I was watching really hard to find those "holes" in his defensive game people are bringing up as to why he hasn't been given a real chance. Don't see them. He was communicating really well out there, tracking well, maintaining defensive position well. This was despite Peluso keeping them trapped several times with his struggles getting the puck out.

O'Dell looked really effective when having Frolik or Wheeler out there with him during that 5 minutes without Peluso. Still think he has top 6 potential. Can't wait until he gets real wingers (or even placed on the wing with better players).

 

[blues10]

My bad, you know I heard that comment directed at Kane about not practising with the team on 1290 TSN!

PS Who was that D man wearing #44 for the Jets, he looked good.

That he did. Good thing he didn't injure himself. We will have to see what the new boss thinks of #39. I thought he has played well of late minus Saturdays debacle.

Kudos that the team showed up tonight. It was entertaining.

If Mike Smith gets anywhere near the net in an actual Olympic game you can be sure that Canada is not in a gold medal position. His puck handling was atrocious tonight.

 

[sipowicz]

Yup, other than the last bit. I think he's got more offense than LaRose, IMO.

I was watching really hard to find those "holes" in his defensive game people are bringing up as to why he hasn't been given a real chance. Don't see them. He was communicating really well out there, tracking well, maintaining defensive position well. This was despite Peluso keeping them trapped several times with his struggles getting the puck out.

O'Dell looked really effective when having Frolik or Wheeler out there with him during that 5 minutes without Peluso. Still think he has top 6 potential. Can't wait until he gets real wingers (or even placed on the wing with better players).

O'Dell is even grittier than I expected but his foot speed needs work, pretty dirty shot as well.

 

[tbcwpg]

Yup, other than the last bit. I think he's got more offense than LaRose, IMO.

I was watching really hard to find those "holes" in his defensive game people are bringing up as to why he hasn't been given a real chance. Don't see them. He was communicating really well out there, tracking well, maintaining defensive position well. This was despite Peluso keeping them trapped several times with his struggles getting the puck out.

O'Dell looked really effective when having Frolik or Wheeler out there with him during that 5 minutes without Peluso. Still think he has top 6 potential. Can't wait until he gets real wingers (or even placed on the wing with better players).

O'Dell is better defensively in the C position than he is on the wing. He loses battles along the boards consistently but that is likely due to him not knowing how to play the wing properly. He knows where to be as a C. Same thing in the offensive zone. He's not quick but because he knows where to go he gets there when he needs to.

I don't think he's more than a 3C in this league, and the sample size is very small in the NHL, but tonight's O'Dell would be alright as a 3C going forward. I do disagree with you about him having top 6 potential, I think he may have bursts as a top 6 guy but not as a full time gig, but I can understand being high on the guy, which is more than I could've said about him than I was saying a month ago. On this team, though, he won't beat out Little or Scheifele in the top 6.

If we continue with the LaRose comparison, he has more offence than LaRose but less defence.

 

[sipowicz]

That he did. Good thing he didn't injure himself. We will have to see what the new boss thinks of #39. I thought he has played well of late minus Saturdays debacle.

Kudos that the team showed up tonight. It was entertaining.

If Mike Smith gets anywhere near the net in an actual Olympic game you can be sure that Canada is not in a gold medal position. His puck handling was atrocious tonight.

Smith reminded me of bad Pavs, Tippet of Noel and Doan of bad Ladd, Yandle of Clit-less......

Noel had #39, #33 and even #44 playing way too much for their own good. Thought Pardy and Ellerby were pretty good even when we were losing, don't know how Postma or Clitsome or even Redmond can get in the line-up even with Buff playing up, back and rover.

 

[Romang67]

"Harumph! Finally, a head coach that doesn't buy suits from Winners!".

I don't know, I think her mind is elsewhere...

"And still I'm having memories of high speeds, when the cops crashed
As I laugh pushing the gas when my glocks blast
We was young, and we was dumb but we had heart
In the dark when we survived through the bad parts..."

 

[ICdave]

Host Drew Mindell and analyst Richard Pollock break down the Jets play against the Coyotes this evening.

To listen click here.

Coyotes audio: Coach Tippett, Shane Doan and David Moss.

To listen click here.

Jets audio: Andrew Ladd, Ondrej Pavelec, Zach Bogosian and Michael Frolik.

To listen click here.

From his first one of the day to his last one. Quite the debut.

To listen to tonight's post-game presser click here.

 

[Mathmew Purrrr Oh]

Stu/Troubs pairing still a mess in their own zone tho

amazingly in a game dominated by the Jets Stu comes in at a pathetic CF% of 27.0

his rookie D partner comes in at 48.6 - unbelievable how a few mid-change minutes away from Stu can improve one's game

 

[Holden Caulfield]

O'Dell is even grittier than I expected but his foot speed needs work, pretty dirty shot as well.

Foot speed is VASTLY overrated, IMO. It's not like he is really all that slow. His agility is below average, but not enough to hold him back hugely, IMO.

O'Dell is better defensively in the C position than he is on the wing. He loses battles along the boards consistently but that is likely due to him not knowing how to play the wing properly. He knows where to be as a C. Same thing in the offensive zone. He's not quick but because he knows where to go he gets there when he needs to.

I don't think he's more than a 3C in this league, and the sample size is very small in the NHL, but tonight's O'Dell would be alright as a 3C going forward. I do disagree with you about him having top 6 potential, I think he may have bursts as a top 6 guy but not as a full time gig, but I can understand being high on the guy, which is more than I could've said about him than I was saying a month ago. On this team, though, he won't beat out Little or Scheifele in the top 6.

Bit early to say that. Right NOW, he is probably not ready for a top 6 role. I said potential. He is just coming up, still only 23 years old. Still time, he can score goals that's for sure, IMO. We'll see.

Just because he hadn't given a chance people assumed he was a career minor leaguer. I have always been high on him. As had people who watched him in AHL.

One thing about the board battles, whenever he has been on the wing it has been on the left side (and only here and there, been a C in AHL and junior). He is a right handed shot. I think he'd quite a bit more effective on the right side, however there is no room there either with Wheeler, Frolik, Setoguchi. Right now I'd like to see what he could do if Frolik was moved to left side and O'Dell was given a chance in top 9 on right side. I'll agree that he definately more effective right now from the C position. Let's get him acclimated to the NHL game, there is still upside there.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Yup, other than the last bit. I think he's got more offense than LaRose, IMO.

Really? Seems like they tracked pretty similar in junior and their first few years in the AHL. I'm surprised to read that from you, considering you're typically pretty conservative in projecting at the NHL level.

I'd be thrilled if O'Dell turned into a LaRose clone.

 

[tbcwpg]

Bit early to say that. Right NOW, he is probably not ready for a top 6 role. I said potential. He is just coming up, still only 23 years old. Still time, he can score goals that's for sure, IMO. We'll see.

Just because he hadn't given a chance people assumed he was a career minor leaguer. I have always been high on him. As had people who watched him in AHL.

One thing about the board battles, whenever he has been on the wing it has been on the left side (and only here and there, been a C in AHL and junior). He is a right handed shot. I think he'd quite a bit more effective on the right side, however there is no room there either with Wheeler, Frolik, Setoguchi. Right now I'd like to see what he could do if Frolik was moved to left side and O'Dell was given a chance in top 9 on right side. I'll agree that he definately more effective right now from the C position. Let's get him acclimated to the NHL game, there is still upside there.

He has potential, sure, but he's already 2 or 3 years older than one of our top 6 centres, and only 2 or 3 years younger than the other one, so he's not pushing him out anytime soon. I don't like him on the wing even on the right (which would be better for him than the left, I agree) because he is not quick enough to keep moving from the boards to the middle of the ice. He's a natural centre but his wing play is AHL level, I'm sorry to say. If he makes it in the NHL full time, it will be as a C, but I don't think he's got legitimate, 82 game top 6 status in him, even taking his AHL numbers into account.

I don't think he's a career minor league guy; my main concern with him was the hype train on this board, putting him in the top 6 at the start of the season before he'd played an NHL shift, and the reports out of the minors that there were foot speed and defensive concerns. He's a tweener, not good enough for full time top 6 but not defensive enough to be a "checking" guy (which, to be fair, are a bit of a thing of the past. Two-way guys are the new checking line).

This is the time to experiment with him, though. Nothing to lose putting him on the third line RW or moving him up the lineup a bit.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Really? Seems like they tracked pretty similar in junior and their first few years in the AHL. I'm surprised to read that from you, considering you're typically pretty conservative in projecting at the NHL level.

I'd be thrilled if O'Dell turned into a LaRose clone.

I wouldn't be upset if O'Dell turned into LaRose. I just think he has more offensive sense than a LaRose. Whether he makes it to even that level is far from certain though (LaRose had two 19 goal seasons).

He has potential, sure, but he's already 2 or 3 years older than one of our top 6 centres, and only 2 or 3 years younger than the other one, so he's not pushing him out anytime soon. I don't like him on the wing even on the right (which would be better for him than the left, I agree) because he is not quick enough to keep moving from the boards to the middle of the ice. He's a natural centre but his wing play is AHL level, I'm sorry to say. If he makes it in the NHL full time, it will be as a C, but I don't think he's got legitimate, 82 game top 6 status in him, even taking his AHL numbers into account.

I don't think he's a career minor league guy; my main concern with him was the hype train on this board, putting him in the top 6 at the start of the season before he'd played an NHL shift, and the reports out of the minors that there were foot speed and defensive concerns. He's a tweener, not good enough for full time top 6 but not defensive enough to be a "checking" guy (which, to be fair, are a bit of a thing of the past. Two-way guys are the new checking line).

This is the time to experiment with him, though. Nothing to lose putting him on the third line RW or moving him up the lineup a bit.

That's fine, I agree that he is a natural centre. Just won't write off his game as unable to play wing just yet. I agree it's not there right now.

Well I for one was never putting him in "top 6" per se at the start of the year. Figured he would be the "3rd C" if Scheifele wasn't ready (potentially LISTED as top 6, but that'd just be for chemistry, he'd play less than Jokinen), or given a chance to compete for that open last top 9 spot (which went to Halischuk which was fine).

I wasn't relying on reports. I watched him in AHL. This is why I was so confused by those reports. Sure his agility was not great, but he was always fine defensively. I mean not a shutdown C, but not like a Gagnon lost defensively. He was always pretty solid defensively.

Not sure where realistically he will fit long term as you say Little and Scheifele are locked in long term (still think Little could be moved back to RW though). However with his offensive sense I still think he could be a top 6 player eventually. Doesn't necessarily mean here.